Warmonger-in-Thief Bush again VETOES a stem cell research bill. Isn't this paradoxical?

Question

On the one hand, we see the worst mass-murder in world history SINCE Pol Pot slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and **wasting** the lives of thousands of our own soldiers. For NOTHING.

On the other hand, we have Bush's continual string of vetoes of bills that would expand valuable embryonic stem cell research that could hugely benefit millions of people.

Is this paradoxical -- or is it weirdly logical...?

To "Rev.Einstein" -- Learn to spell "Democrat" and THEN whine about ignorance. Meanwhile, I have yet to see any intelligence from you.

To "Freebird" -- Whether financies agree with Bush is irrelevant. The vast majority of the PEOPLE are far more intelligent than he is, on this.

To "p_l_gray" -- I just LOVE to watch hyperconservative loons who don't give a rat's rump about people, whining about "lame liberals," and thus making total fools of themselves and their repressive agendas. Since it is social liberals who are the staunchest defenders of individual liberties.

So "we can't support our position with facts," huh?

FACT -- The embryoes that won't be used to benefit humanity thanks to Bush's hateful, ignorant, and inane veto are the one that otherwise WILL be destroyed. (But bless yore ignorant pea-pickin' heart, and Bush's, millions who COULD have benefited from them now will not.)

FACT -- Most neocons are very clueless people who SURELY have no facts on their side.

To "p_l_gray" -- 2 out of three vetoes, along with the promise by Bush that he'll keep vetoing it whenever it come up, IS a "string."

You have a LOT to learn about liberals. Starting with the FACT that there are two distince types of them, and that most liberals are one or the other: SOCIAL liberals and FISCAL liberals. The latter are the kind that somewhat emulate socialism, and the former has NOTHING to do with socialism.

FACT -- Social liberals (i.e., sensible egalitarians) are the bulwark against our ever returning to the Pre-Roe-vd.-Wade Dark Ages. We will never again permit girls and women to be FORCED to gestate UNwanted pregnancies to term against their will.

FACT -- Social liberals recognize the abject STUPIDITY of trying to discriminate against people over something as TRIVIAL as the gender of the partner they take into the privacy of their bedrooms.

FACT -- Social liberals DEFEND freedom of speech and expression against mindless and hateful censorship.

To "p_l_gray" -- The universal trait of hyperconservatives and RRR cultists (more often than not the same people) is their propensity to live in denial of the very obvious facts that make total dog meat of their loathsome and clueless agendas against individual liberties. Today's "conservatives" aren't even remotely conservative. A **real** conservative would be a DEFENDER of personal liberties.

(And I invite the readers to see again what I wrote above in response to your ignorance of the clear difference between socialism and being a SOCIAL liberal. Pretty darned desperate, aren't you? WHY? What's in it for YOU, to seek to oppose or destroy the personal liberties of OTHER people?

To "p_l_gray" -- LOL!!! All the proof we need that RRR cult lemmings/neocons are delusional (and clueless) is that NONE of them have yet (to the best of my knowledge) ever been able to defend **either** of these hateful and ludicrous stances with FACTS --

(1) With regard to abortion rights -- PROVE that RPEs (Reproductive-Process entities) are "people", and as such have any "right" to legislation that would FORCE their UNwilling hosts to gestate-to-term their UNwanted pregnancies to term, against their will.

(2) Show, with FACTS, that any opposite-sex couple's marriage would be threatened in ANY way if Same-Sex Marriage (SSM) were legalized. IOW, use FACTS to justify any so-called "Defense of Marriage" legislation.

I'd be good money that you can't do that, any more than others of your ilk have been able to. And THAT would make you both hateful *and* clueless for supporting such loathsome agendas against personal liberties.

To "Just Me" -- Did you succeed in graduating to second grade THIS year?

To "k716" -- No SENSIBLE & compassionate person would ever regard the use of **worthless** embryos (which otherwise would be discarded!) to further stem cell research that could benefit millions of people, to be "unethical." To the contrary, nothing could be MORE ethical.

NO baby has **ever** been aborted. None! That's mindless rhetoric employed by RRR cultists in their desperate attempt to con low-IQ folks into accepting their hate-agenda against girls and women. The ONLY entities terminated by abortion are UNwanted (and therefore worthless, just as are gametes -- which ALSO are human, alive, and potential people -- unless attempts at procreation are being made on purpose) RPEs (reproductive-process entities). The only exception is in the case of a woman's needing an abortion for medical-emergency reasons. The hugely-valuable REMEDY of abortion RESTORES the full range of future opportunities to a BILLION women over any recent 18-year-long period, to PRE-ill-timed pregency levels.

FACT -- There are many sources of stem cells, but embryonic ones may show the most promise. But even if they presented only an EQUAL amount of promise, they still comprise an ADDITIONAL source, so should not be wasted, just because thoughtless RRR-cult-types whine otherwise.

FACT -- Insurgents in Iraq are slaughtering thousands of innocent people over there BECAUSE our war-crimes-ridden Warmonger-in-Thief invaded their sovereign nation and brought that opportunity for them into being.

FACT -- Our soldiers lives ARE being **wasted** in Iraq. Every single one of them. All for NOTHING!

FACT -- I **do** support our troops. In the BEST way possible: by DEMANDING Congress to bring them ALL home from Iraq -- immediately!! -- and out of harm's way.

To: "Houston, we have a problem" -- Have you noticed that more and more Republicans are jumping Bush's sinking ship? One day soon, enough of them may side with this legislation to enable the much-needed veto override to take place. And if not, then in less than a year and a half, with a Democratic President, we can expect an immediate END to this hateful and idiotic opposition to embryonic stem cell research. Either way, before much longer, the RRR Cult will be defeated forevermore on this.

Answer 1

Oh ...the Democraps must be upset again.


What's wrong nobody would listen to your ignorance in the political section??

Answer 2

Okay here goes...Embryonic stem cells are the same thing as stem cells taken from cord blood, or even stem cells in your body. A stem cell is simply a cell that has not gone through differentiation yet. That just means that it is not sure what type of cell that it will be when it matures. Like the cell does not know if it will be a blood cell or a liver cell, etc. So, what is the difference in getting stem cells from an embryo that you have to kill or getting them from cord blood? Cord blood is drawn from every baby born in the USA to test for disease, why not fight to have what blood is left over after testing to be sent to research labs and not kill those embryos. GWB, and all of his faults, is NOT against stem cell research but is against EMBRYONIC stem cell research.

Answer 3

If you study the speeches of fascists like Hitler you will find an amazing and disgusting similarity to the Bush Nazi.

The philosophy of George Orwell's Animal Farm began with "All animals are created equal." It evolved into "All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others."

So it is with the neocons and the religious right or wrong. They scream respect life. But now some lives are more equal than others. Tens of thousands are slaughtered in the name of the war on terror. Millions die in Africa while we refuse to do anything unless we are invited in. Medical care in the United States is for the lucky. Some of us are uninsurable and discarded.

Work now to change things in the next election

01-20-09 THE END OF AN ERROR

Answer 4

The only paradox is killing embryos for research unnecessarily.

FACT: There are plenty of other sources of stem cells, including umbilical cord blood, placenta, bone marrow and various adult tissues (skin, blood, brain, and body fat cells).

Why should we, as taxpayers, be forced to pay for unethical research using stem cells taken from destroyed human embryos?

FACT: You are certainly free to contribute to your preferred stem cell research. I'm sure they would accept your donation.

FACT: President Bush issued an executive order directing the Department of Health and Human Services to promote research that does not destroy life, to ensure that stem-cell research is ethically responsible, such as using adult stem cells.

FACT: This could also be hugely beneficial for millions of people.

Re. your first statement:

"On the one hand, we see the worst mass-murder in world history since Pol Pot..."
The worst mass-murder in history has been the millions of babies that have been aborted! Do the math -- the numbers aren't even close.

"...slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis,..."
FACT: There are lots of insurgents in Iraq that are doing the slaughtering.

"...and **wasting** the lives of thousands of our own soldiers. For NOTHING."
Their lives are not "wasted". You really should appreciate the thousands of our soldiers who are volunteering to fight for our country and believe in what they are doing. Support our troops and soften your heart. We'll be praying for you.

Answer 5

You're an idiot....

Bush has used his veto power three times since being in office. Twice to veto a stem cell bill.

I'm not sure that this equates to a "continual string".

More lame liberal lying to try and justify your point.

You can't support your position with facts so you make it up.... typical liberal.


{edit} FACT Bush is not limiting spending on stem cell research... he is limiting federal funding for stem cell research. Private corporations and medical research in the private sector ditched the idea long ago.

You still have not defined "continual string".

Liberals are the staunchest supporters of individual liberties????? HAHAHA that is the funniest thing that I have ever heard. Liberals are the first to take individual liberties in support of the greater good. Liberals are the earmark of Socialism which is the antithesis of personal liberties....

Wow, you are even more of an idiot than I thought.


Your "facts" are opinions at best.... and not well supported opinions.



{edit} again..... your "facts" are political positions... which make them OPINION.... wow, you are ignorant about the concept.

Whether you are a fiscal or social democrat your core belief is equal distribution of wealth and economy with makes you a socialist. PERIOD.... therer is no way you can get away from the core definition of a liberal. YOU my friend have a lot to learn about your affiliations.


Your definition of continual string is equally hilarious... At first you claim a president of previous vetos.... when that was shown to be inaccurate you include the future "probable" vetos as your definition of a string.... Again, changing the facts to support your argument is a typical liberal tactic.


{edit} Sorry pal.... I'm not the desperate one in this conversation. Enjoy your delusion.

Answer 6

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this is rule number one. thank you for the points, though :)


P.S. you can rant and rave about me all you want, I won't bother to check back. I really don't care what your opinion is on anything.

Answer 7

Wow, your "facts" are in fact the most idiotic opinions I've seen in a long time.

If Bush is such a minority on either the war or Stem Cell, why can't you muster enough votes in congress to overturn either decision?

Answer 8

Even though I agree with much of what you say. You say it with so much acid it would be very hard for me to even pay attention to you if I disagreed. Please tone it down just a little. You are obviously aware of what's going on in the world. You seem to have very strong convictions about it, and I agree for the most part. I see you are very passionate about it too. That's wonderful. but CHILL OUT.

Peace

Answer 9

Wow, an act that would save millions, yet not a single private firm wants to invest significantly in it. (Bush isn't stopping private investment, just public funding)

You'd think that a product that would "save millions" would be worth a couple of trillion bucks to a private investor. Yet somehow, embryonic stem cell research is not quite making it into the New York Stock Exchange.

It appears that Bush agrees with the entire financial/industrial world on this one. Go figure!

Answer 10

Oh, if he would only sign a bill wasting taxpayer dollars on something the private sector won't spend a cent on, superman could fly again. Try checking out the facts, and sticking to the poly sci rant area. Thx.

Answer 11

Paradoxes are not supposed to exist, so probably not. And Bush has only vetoed three bills in his two terms. Three does not make a string