Question for Christians. I did as you suggested and read the book of John?

Question

But I have to say I would have probably have tried to stone Jesus too. I mean the man rolls in from no where and says I and God are one....if you knew him you would know me etc etc. Am I wrong to say I wouldn't know why anyone would believe him until he started healing people?

Answer 1

You are not wrong to say what you have said, because that is your honest opinion, and it's shared by millions of other people who stumble over the person of Christ. That's just what the Bible said would happen. Christ is "a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense". Christ offends us because of who he is, and what he claims, and what that shows us up to be.

If you can put your opinion to one side, however, and consider the claims, and the account of his life, you could see the gospel of John in an entirely different light. Try again, friend! You've made a start. Don't give up so easily! You wouldn't expect the Son of God to be ordinary, or not controversial, would you? John concluded his gospel by saying, "These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." (ch 20 vs 31) All the Christians who have seen your question will be praying for you.

Answer 2

you are not understanding the revelation of Jesus: For many centuries men have killed even people to make offers to God, that has been planted in the minds of people by the devil and by the people themselves, (See in Genesis, Cain and Abel made offers to God. but nowhere before this it is said that God has required them to do any offering) They believed the offerings bring them the Good luck, so they went building tradition after tradition and magic after magic.

Jesus came to abolish that, what the devil had put in their minds and had become a rule, because a promise or offering becomes a bond. (The same when you promise or make a gift to somebody becomes a bond) That is why it is said somewhere else : Do not promise to anyone, but let your yes be yes and your no be no.

So Jesus came to show us to show us the true image of God in love and behavior, You truly believe, he heals you, without any offering, just by your honest believe. And it was not so much the healing but message that there is not need for sacrifice. And so he also made the last sacrifice, so that the devil can not go and say, that offer is not good according to the bond or agreement accepted by men.

So if your kids friends have put a bad impression about you in your kid's mind, (for example) Won't you try to show your kid the real you, and wait for him to believe and trust you. And you say : "Try this and it will work" and he says : "I try but I can't" and you know that he can not because he has not faith he can do this. (bicycle, swimming, etc.)

There is more to the topic of faith and healing and magic that I can discuss with you. But this takes time and careful explanations.

Many men have come out of nowhere to somebody and said, I am your real father. (same as saying : you and me are one) and most of the time they have been right.

We tend to believe our earthly parents are our father, mother, without any testing, because we blindly believe.
So why can not believe other things that are also apparently true. There is not other story of love and sacrifice in the world like the one of Jesus and even Josephus, and other Historians witness to his existence.

So I say now: If you go around saying that you and your father are one, because you have the same essence or genes.

Should you be stone?

Answer 3

Most people would have. What he said was blasphemy in Jewish eyes. Even some of his followers left.
"The father and I are one. Who ever has seen me, has seen the father. I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes through the father except through me"
Yes, this would be grounds for stoning.
If you take his words to HEART, and actually BELIEVE him, you wouldn't have to see him healing people. Those are just signs for the doubters, and some people wouldn't believe him even when he healed people (like some on this forum, they wont believe Jesus if he came to Earth and stood in front of them).
The Pharisees only saw him as a trouble maker and some one trying to take their religious power away.
But Jesus is who he said he was.
As a testament to this, you can see by the tens of millions of changed lives world wide, and the hundreds of millions more who have been helped by Christianity.

Answer 4

That's like saying, "Oh, if someone walked into the mall and I overheard them saying that they are a child of God, I'd stone them." That was a completely different time period and things were done differently but just like back then, there are believers and non-believers. However, if the non-believers of that time were just to watch how Jesus lived his life devoted to helping others and committing not one single sin, they would have seen God in Jesus and would not have needed additional proof. The Bible was not written to be taken literally word for word. Jesus did not write the New Testament. It is a collection of narratives and accounts from his disciples and just like you have your own style of talking, so did they, which is why you will find some of the same stories written in different ways in the New Testament. You say you don't know why anyone would believe him until he started healing but to have faith is to believe in things that don't have to be proven in a way that is "tangible" to you. For example, God says "Ask and ye shall receive" and so those who believe and have faith will know that if they ask to be delivered from, lets say, their addiction to alcohol, God will deliver them because he gave his word. But God does not like to be tested just to see if he "works" and he doesn't jump through hoops. So, you have to have faith, and help yourself and God will do the rest.

Answer 5

You are not any different than those who thought they were good despite sinnng.

And to the one who claims Jesus used magic to heal, apparently you have never experienced the love of God in your life. He could have healed the people, but their disbelief was like you having the cure for cancer and nobody wanting it because you were not the same color as them. They thought he was a fraud, and just like today, people still disbelieve.

Remeber that the "colored" man who discovered the means of seperating blood and plasma died at a whites only hospital because he was the wrong color. He believed plasma would save his life, but the hospital thought it was only good enough for whites. SOUND FAMILAR!!!!!!

Answer 6

Yes , go and read it again!

You read it the first time like the religious jews and Pharasees, they read the Law with their mind blinded, they said Moses gaves them breads from heaven, Jesus says No, it's not Moses but My Father In Heaven. And all those who eats of the breads in the wilderness died but who ever should eats of Me_(Jesus , the Bread of Life) shall never see death !
Do You believes this ? I do ! What about you reading it again the second time ?

Answer 7

That text, at John 10:30, is often cited to support the Trinity, even though no third person is mentioned there. But Jesus himself showed what he meant by his being "one" with the Father. At John 17:21, 22, he prayed to God that his disciples "may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, . . . that they may be one just as we are one." Was Jesus praying that all his disciples would become a single entity? No, obviously Jesus was praying that they would be united in thought and purpose, as he and God were.—See also 1 Corinthians 1:10.

At 1 Corinthians 3:6, 8, Paul says: "I planted, Apollos watered . . . He that plants and he that waters are one." Paul did not mean that he and Apollos were two persons in one; he meant that they were unified in purpose. The Greek word that Paul used here for "one" (hen) is neuter, literally "one (thing)," indicating oneness in cooperation. It is the same word that Jesus used at John 10:30 to describe his relationship with his Father. It is also the same word that Jesus used at John 17:21, 22. So when he used the word "one" (hen) in these cases, he was talking about unity of thought and purpose.

Right in the context of the verses after John 10:30, Jesus forcefully argued that his words were not a claim to be God. He asked the Jews who wrongly drew that conclusion and wanted to stone him: "Why do you charge me with blasphemy because I, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, said, 'I am God's son'?" (John 10:31-36, NE) No, Jesus claimed that he was, not God the Son, but the Son of God.

Answer 8

I understand where you are coming from. It's human nature to rebel against God.

"He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him." - John 1:10-11

Answer 9

I don't really know how to answer your question. It depends on how I would feel at the time.

Answer 10

Apparently Jesus's magic healing powers were so weak he couldn't heal anybody in his hometown because nobody believed he was the messiah. C'mon, people, he's supposed to be God in human flesh. How the hell can people's disbelief stop his omnipotence from getting his healing mojo on?

Reason #2904 why Christianity makes zero sense.