Can the Trinity divide itself?

Question

At a number of occasions in the New Testament, we clearly see/hear the Father and Son in different places. How can this be, if you believe in the Trinity? Can God temporarily divide himself?

Take the story of Jesus's baptism. Jesus was in the water. A voice from Heaven declares that he is pleased with his only Son. The Holy Ghost descends upon Jesus like a dove. All three members of the Trinity are present here, each in a different place.

How can we understand the idea of Trinity in light of this type of event and other similar ones (Transfiguration, Crucifixion, Stephen's martyrdom)? Please explain in a way that a normal human being can understand.

And don't tell me that Jesus was just a really good ventriliquist.

God can do anything he wants doesn't really answer my question.

djmantx--when our spirit leaves our body, we are DEAD. Was Jesus dead because his Spirit (Father) was in heaven? I don't think John the Baptist would agree with you there.

Answer 1

From the Athanasian Creed and from other documents, we can clearly determine what Christendom means by the Trinity doctrine. It includes the following definite ideas:

1. There are said to be three divine persons—the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit—in the Godhead.

2. Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.

3. Each is said to be almighty, with none greater or lesser than the other.

4. Each is said to be omniscient, knowing all things.

5. Each is said to be true God.

6. However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God.

I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

Answer 2

The baptism of Jesus doesn't mention a trinity any more than saying 'Tom, Dick and Harry were at Jesus' baptism.

On the contrary it shows they are totally different.

Jehovah speaks from heaven, Jesus is on earth, and the spirit of God ('of' means ownership) decended as a human?

No as a dove, so the holy spirit is equal to an animal.

As to what happens when we die or the spirit goes out.

please notice the truth at

Ps. 146: 4His spirit departs, he returns to the earth;
In that very day his thoughts perish.

John 3: 16"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

The choice is eternal life or perish, or eternal death.

Rev 20: 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire.

15And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.



Eternal life is a reward

Living after we disobey God is the first lie Satan told.

Gen 3:4The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!

Why do some continue to teach what Satan taught about eternal life after death?

Answer 3

Jesus without a doubt was seperated form the Father while on this earth. How can this be? When your flesh dies where are you? Are you seperate from your dead body? We are made in God's image having a body and spirit and we become a living soul. God is the creator of everyhting and it is not impossible for him to do anything and to be in all places in whichever form he chooses.

Edit You seriously believe you perish with your flesh? Then you have no eternity therofere why are you asking about God?
Animals do perish with there flesh man was given an eternal spirit. When Lazrus was in Abraham's bosem was he dead? was he still alive... What do you supose the answer to this is? Dead men talk? Was he still in his dead flesh did he receive a new body?

Answer 4

Its a difficult thing to understand. Thus is the complexity of God.

However, one way of understanding this is to know that God can place limits on Himself. He did this with when He gave human capacity to Himself through Christ Jesus.

Also, know that God doesn't live within our definition of space and time. God is outside of it. He can be anywhere at anytime (or all the time). A God that can do that can do anything.

Answer 5

OK here is a start I am a wife I am a daughter I am a friend I am a hairdresser I am all of these I am not capable of dividing myself into these separate people but God is he is all knowing and he created everything and he can be all places at one time in as many forms as he chooses.

Answer 6

Yes He did. How about that?

Matthew 3:16

God can do whatever He wants to. We cannot comprehend things that are folly to Him.

If we could fully explain God He wouldn't be much of a God, would He?

Just know He's alive and well and loves us.
God bless.

Answer 7

God is almighty he can do as he wishes. I am sure it was painful for them to be seperated but as we have seen God has the power.

Answer 8

Greetings Jehovah’s Witness, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!

I confess that Lord Jesus Christ is my Saviour and that the Bible is the word of God.

As Christians, we know that Lord Jesus wants us to abide in pure truth which sets us free as opposed to doctrines of demons and men’s imaginations which were designed to keep us in spiritual oppression and slavery. The Holy Spirit is here and very active on the earth as our Helper and He reveals the mysteries of the Biblical Scriptures to us all. We need to read for ourselves, ask the Holy Spirit and listen to His teaching.

The Holy Spirit is moving mightily during these last days, baptizing many with fire and empowering us with His much needed gifts for the edification of the Church. Only at the end of the Church Age will the gifts be discontinued (because at that time the Church will be perfected)… but during this time He is generously distributing them to Christians who are willing to work for God’s glory and as a Spirit-filled Christian I bear witness to this.

Some individuals like to predict the date of the Second Coming of Christ. For example, Charles T. Russell who established the Watchtower organization predicted that Christ would restore paradise by 1914 then shifted the date to 1915 and moved it again to 1918. The date was changed yet again to 1925 by Russell’s successor J. Rutherford. The Bible strictly warns us about false prophets (Mat 7:15, 2 Peter 2:1, Deut 18:20).

The founders of Jehovah's Witnesses were not only false prophets. They were also quite racist, preached racist doctrine, and enforced racist policies. Both Russell and Rutherford taught that black skin was a sign of the Biblical curse on Cain, blacks were inferior to whites and blacks were divinely ordained to be servants and slaves. In the early 20th century blacks were banned from preaching work (The Golden Age, July 24, 1929, Zion's Watch Tower 07/15 1902, Zion's Watch Tower 02/15 1904, Zion's Watch Tower 03/15 1900)!

As Christians it is VITAL to teach the correct identity and nature of the Lord Jesus Christ. If one preaches a different Jesus then they preach a different gospel and if they do not repent and preach the truth, they are destined for the Lake of Fire (Galatians 1:8).

Let’s look objectively at what the Bible teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ and see whether the Holy Trinity is scriptural or not. There is only one God (Isa 43:10-11; 44:6,8; 45:21-22; 46:9; John 17:3; 1 John 5:20-21). The Father (Jehovah) is God (1 Peter 1:2; Philippians 2:11), the Lord Jesus Christ is God (Matthew 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28; Hebrews 1:8; Hebrews 13:8; Revelation 1:7-8; 2 Peter 1:1; Titus 2:13) and the Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; Acts 28:25-27; 1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 2 Corinthians 3:17). These Scriptures give crystal clear evidence of God’s tri-unity.

Almighty God was always triune (one God in three persons, not three gods). God is comprised of the Father, the Son (Lord Jesus) and the Holy Spirit, each serving a function. Jesus was not created - He always existed as part of God. Neither was the Holy Spirit created. Human beings and angels were created. The Lord Jesus was made flesh (in the Immaculate Conception) by God, so He (Jesus) could make the sacrifice for our sins. When Jesus was made flesh, He put aside His divine nature and humbled Himself as a servant (Philippians 2:5-11). During that time, the Father was in a greater position but position does not denote an inferior nature. We call Jesus of Nazareth the Only Son of God because God was His Father and not a human being. Jesus is God, Jesus is the Son of God and He is called the Holy One of God.

The Lord Jesus is eternal and uncreated (Isaiah 9:6; Hebrews 7:3; Micah 5:2, John 1:1-3; 8:58; Colossians 1:15-19), He retained His deity while becoming a man (Philippians 2:5-11; Colossians 1:19;2:9; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3-8), He is equal in nature to God the Father (John 5:18; John 19:7) and He receives the same worship as God the Father (John 5:23; Hebrews 1:6; Revelation 5:11-14; John 14:14).

On pages 216-217 of the 1939 Watchtower book Salvation, the Society claimed that the Holy Spirit had been taken away in the year 1918. Another totally unbiblical claim is that only a chosen 144,000 persons who were living between Pentecost (c. AD 30) and 1935 will live in Heaven forever. The Watchtower states that only these are parties to the New Covenant and have the Lord Jesus Christ as their mediator.

The Bible teaches that ALL BELIEVERS will live together in the New Heaven and New Earth. When believers in Christ die they go immediately into Christ’s presence (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-24). ALL BELIEVERS FROM ALL AGES will be resurrected with immortal bodies like Christ’s (Romans 8:11, 1Corinthians 15:42-54; Philippians 3:21) and live together in the New Heaven and New Earth (Matthew 5:5; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1). ALL BELIEVERS IN CHRIST will reign on the earth (Revelation 5:10). ALL OF THE REDEEMED will see God and Christ (Matthew 5:8; 1 John 3:2; Revelation 21:3-4). ALL BELIEVERS are in the New Covenant with Christ as their mediator (1 Timothy 2:5-6). ALL WHO HAVE FAITH IN CHRIST AS THEIR SAVIOUR AND LORD are already born again (1 Peter 1:3; 1 John 5:1) and are children of God (Romans 8:14-17; Galatians 4:4-6; John 1:12-13) and ALL BAPTIZED BELIEVERS are part of the church, the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13).

If you carefully read the Book of Revelation, you will see that the 144,000 of chapters 7 and 14 are sealed Jewish believers who will evangelize during the Tribulation. Email me ([e-mail]) for a copy of the Sequence of End-Time Events in Bible Prophecy.

The leaders of the Watchtower organization demand that you use only their Bible (the New World Translation) in which the word of God has been carefully altered to suit their beliefs and frankly, their agenda. In studying the Bible I use KJV and YLT Bibles as they are closest to the original Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible. Ask any Bible scholar or do the research for yourself in regards to the deliberate alterations of the original Bible text in the NWT.

On the topic of blood transfusions and organ transplants, these life-saving procedures are not even close to the eating of blood or cannibalism since the organs and blood in these cases are neither digested nor metabolized.

The Watchtower also teaches that Christians should not take part in the systems of the world but this is not what the Bible teaches. Prominent Bible characters who were militarily and politically active are Daniel and his colleagues, the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, the centurion in Matthew 8, Cornelius in Acts 10 and Erastus in Romans 16.

As Christians we must go to God through the Lord Jesus Christ our ultimate High Priest (Hebrews 6:20; 7:24) and not through any created being or organization. The Lord Jesus Christ wants you to be living a liberated and victorious life in Him. He does not want you to be under a wicked and deceitful organization that has on several occasions reversed itself on a number of doctrines and threaten to shun you if you use your God-given mind and dare do the right thing.

With Love in Christ,

Servant of the Lord Jesus Christ

Answer 9

IT IS ENDLESS NOR WITH SIDES OR EVEN TIME, THEREFORE THERE IS NO WAY TO DIVIDE ETERNITY BECAUSE IT IS EVERYTHING. YOU CAN NOT HAVE TO ETERNITIES OR TRINITIES

Answer 10

you kind of make it sound like power rangers