Do you agree or disagree with the sixth Article of Faith?

Question

These are the basic beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There are 13 Articles of Faith... I have posted 1 - 5 previous to this one if you want to go back and look.

Here is the Article:

We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.


Again, I am looking to see if you agree or disagree with these principles... not any biased "opions" on what people think Mormons believe.

Many people ask what Mormon's believe... these Articles of Faith explain it in it's simplest form. Most Christians will see that we share a lot of the same beliefs.

References:

John 15: 16, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."

Luke 6: 13, "And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles."

Moro. 3: 1-4, "THE manner which the disciples, who were called the elders of the church, ordained priests and teachers—

"After they had prayed unto the Father in the name of Christ, they laid their hands upon them, and said:

"In the name of Jesus Christ I ordain you to be a priest, (or, if he be a teacher) I ordain you to be a teacher, to preach repentance and remission of sins through Jesus Christ, by the endurance of faith on his name to the end. Amen.

"And after this manner did they ordain priests and teachers, according to the gifts and callings of God unto men; and they ordained them by the power of the Holy Ghost, which was in them."

shjOld....

Thanks for the biased propaganda... you seriously can't and don't have the capability of looking at something and give an honest opinion? No... you are not my enemy though that is a cute little scripture you find to lead up to your twisted propaganda.

How about actually looking at something objectively and answering the question?

To answer some of the questions...

No... Joseph Smith is not the or any Savior of the Mormon church. Jesus Christ is obviously the Savior.

As for not needing Apostles or Prophets any longer.... Do you feel that God does not love his children of this day enough to give them further direction as he did for his children in the past? God is the same today, yesterday and tommorow. Why would he choose not to bless his children today as he did in the past? Has the world not changed? Is it not more wicked? We know things will get worse as revealed in revelations... why do you feel God would not give us further direction during these terrible times?

Why do you limit God in his capabilities?

If Christ set up his church on earth His way... don't you think it would be set up the SAME way today?

Answer 1

Yes. I believe this one too. Of course, you will get a lot of people who say that a prophet or apostles died out after Christ, and they aren't needed anymore.

I agree with you that there still needs to be direction given to us today. If there wasn't supposed to be prophets, apostles and all the others, then there would be this scripture in Acts 2:17-18:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

It doesn't just happen with our church. Other churches have the same opportunity to teach and to prophecy. Personal revelation is also part of prophecy. We can receive answers to our prayers, that in itself is a kind of prophecy. Sometimes it comes as revelation, or intuition, or just a feeling that we need to do something.

Christ is the head, and should be, the head of all Christian faiths. Regardless of whether we believe the exact same thing, the fact that we all believe that Christ is our Savior, that He died and atoned for us, should be enough. It's sad that we all can't see the good in each religion and all try to be Christ-like in our dealings with each other.

I forgot to post this website about prophets and continued revelation at first.. so here it is now!!!!

Answer 2

No. The original apostles are dead, as their office (I.E.: prophet) is no longer necessary.

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"Do you feel that God does not love his children of this day enough to give them further direction as he did for his children in the past? God is the same today, yesterday and tomorrow. Why would he choose not to bless his children today as he did in the past? Has the world not changed?"

Read Romans chapter 1. The world has NOT changed, nor is it any more evil now that it was in the past. As King Solomon noted, "there is nothing new under the sun."

Besides, if you assume that God hadn't finished everything that he needed to say already, then there is the issue of how do you discern who is the true prophet, and who is false (Mormons do not follow Muhammad, for example).

According to Moses, one of the criteria for a true prophet is that he cannot contradict other true prophets (so no prophet would contradict the Bible, for example). And, oh yea, a prophet had to be Jewish -- according to Moses.

Have a good day.

Answer 3

why don't you ask if people believe joseph smith is a true prophet of God?

That is the main difference between your religion and normal christianity.

Since we have the bible and Jesus as our Saviour -

Why would some one think they need another savior like joseph smith or any of the others who came after Jesus claiming to be from God but changing the message just enough to win converts?

Answer 4

Nope no apostles (we are now disciples who can claim apostlic suscession (well not the Mormons since they claim they did not branch off from mainstream Chritianity but founded a completely New tree) and prophets are chosen by God not by the apostles quorum.

Answer 5

I believe in all 13 articles but to answer your question, yes I believe in the sixth article of faith. I think to some degree all Christian religions believe this. All it is saying is that we are going to organize our church the same way Jesus did. We are going to have prophets, apostles, etc. just like they did in His time.
Although some churches may not use the same terms to describe their church leaders they do have them.
Does your pastor recieve revelation from God that he shares with the congregation? Do you have members who go out to spread the word like the apostles did?

Answer 6

"Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?"
Gal. 4:16


Professor Threatened for Exposing
Contradictions in the Book of Mormon


Issue Date: January/February 2003

Thomas Murphy, head of the anthropology department at Edmonds Community College in Lynnwood, Washington has been threatened with excommunication from the Mormon church for questioning the historical accuracy of the Book of Mormon. The threat resulted from an article which Murphy wrote claiming that genetic data discredits the claim that American Indians are descendants of ancient Israelites who migrated to America long before Columbus.

The Book of Mormon claims that a group of people called the Jaredites moved to America from the Middle East about the time of the Tower of Babel. Unfortunately, they eventually all died in wars.

Later, another group from the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh was led by a man named Lehi to what was probably Central America. Some of these died and the rest became the ancestors of the Native Americans.

Murphy's article claimed that the American Indians are related genetically to the Siberians, supporting the most common theory that they probably migrated across a land bridge between Russia and Alaska.

Murphy says, "We're told to tell the truth, but not if the truth contradicts church doctrine. I would prefer to tell the truth."

In his book Answers To My Mormon Friends, Thomas Heinze points out: "The Book of Mormon is presented as true history and gives a number of details which we can check out...However, no archeological evidence has been found in the Americas that directly verifies the Book of Mormon.

In fact, Heinze points out that the Mormons have claimed that the Smithsonian Institution officially recognized The Book of Mormon and that it had been used as a guide to almost all of the major discoveries. This generated so many inquires that the Smithsonian had to write a stock answer denying the claim:

"The Smithsonian Institution has never used The Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archeologists see no connection between the archeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book... The Book of Mormon is a religious document and not a scientific guide."

Heinze further observes that if the first people to live in the Americas were Hebrew and Egyptian as The Book of Mormon claims, then remnants of their language would show up in the Indian dialects. None can be found as well as no ancient inscriptions have been unearthed that contain Hebrew or Egyptian words or letters.

Another contradiction concerns the native animals. The Book of Mormon claims that the Israelites found abundant populations of cows, oxen, donkeys, horses and goats in the wilderness of America when they arrived supposedly around 589 BC.

However, there is no evidence that any of these animals existed in America before the Europeans brought them after Columbus discovered America. Native animals such as the Alpaca and the Llama are never mentioned in The Book of Mormon.

In only 75 pages, Heinze covers several of the key contradictions between The Book of Mormon and the Bible or verifiable history. Its gentle approach makes his book ideal to share with either a Mormon who is willing to examine the truth or someone being tempted to join this bizarre religion.

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OK Karma, I'll do it your way. These two verses from the bible prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the LDS or the mormons' church is nothing more than a satan cult:

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20-21

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:6-9

As for propaganda, the article "Professor Threatened for Exposing Contradictions in the Book of Mormon" was all in the news in either Nov. or Dec. of 2002. I know this to be true because I was listening to the news at the time. If you are so sure it's only propaganda, why don't you write the professor yourself and find out?

As for misleading people with lies, there is no bigger lie that I know of than to mislead people to believe that there was a "council of gods" in heaven to determine if Jesus or satan was going to be the Saviour of the world. If the comment didn't mislead so many people, I find it to be laughable--a down right joke. To believe such propaganda, you must first claim that John 1:1-3 is a lie.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

It clearly states that NOTHING EXISTED BUT THE TRINITY of God itself. Therefore, were was satan?

The bible refers to the little "g", god(s) when referring to demons and devils. When did God need the help of demons and devils to determine what He was going to do with mankind or eternity itself?

You stated yourself not to be offering "biased opions". So, why don't you offer something other than opinions yourself? I offered only The Word of God and historical facts.

To answer your comment: "why do you feel God would not give us further direction during these terrible times?"

I'm sorry but not sorry for saying that I don't base the Bible on "I think" or "I feel". And yes, God does offer "us further direction during these terrible times," it's called AV1611--not the book of the mormons.

Answer 7

Oh I agree, fully...but then you probably already knew that, didn't you?

Why don't the Catholics have Apostles anymore? (I ask this honestly, not in disrespect.)

Answer 8

Faith is something that cannot be measured or truly explained. It is a feeling that you have.

Faith does not = religion!

Answer 9

Its bad enough that you believe all that nonsense you don't need to justify yourself to other faiths of nonsense.
Kisses Betty.