Why don't Christians understand this? : Prophecy: 'Jesus will die', God sends Jesus, Jesus is not a volunteer.

Question

I can't for the life of my understand how you can all claim to be followers of this mythology, yet you never question any of it. By questioning the logic behind it, wouldn't that make your understanding of it that much better?
That being said: "Bible (written by Yahweh, right?) 'predicts' a Messiah who will die (according to apologetics). Yahweh sends his 'son' jesus as a human sacrifice.
If that's the case, then Jesus is not a volunteer, he is a pawn. He has no choice in the matter. Yahweh decided to send him to earth, knowing full well (being omniscient after all) that he was going to be tortured to death.

And by the way, are these the words of a volunteer:

"Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani? ("My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Answer 1

Well since when have most sat down and read the bible straight through from one cover to the other; I imagine not many.

When I was in college I had to buy a student bible for my comparative religions classes and lo and behold it contained 'reading tracts' which told me to skip around from this chapter to the next, a few verses here and a few verses there. How can you see the complete picture if you are only getting pieces.

No, those are not the words of a volunteer. If he had been a demi-god then he would have known that he had to do this and would have done so more stoical. Jesus of Nazareth was entirely human. Amazing what people can build you into about 300 some odd years later.

Answer 2

First, the Bible was not written by Yahweh. It was written by men who were inspired by Yahweh.

Second, Yahweh didn't "force" Jesus to come to earth any more than a general in a war says, "I need someone to go and take a message to the front." A volunteer steps up bravely risking all and says, "I'll do it." So the general "sends" that person. That person was not forced to go to the front. They freely chose that mission. The same is with Jesus.

Those words were spoken out of Jesus' human nature, not His Divine Nature. Many a good man has fallen and thought that he had been abandoned, by God, by his fellow soldiers, by his spouse, by his children, by society and by the world in general.

The writings of the Bible date back to several decades after the life of Jesus up to a couple hundred years after His death. there are numerous non-Christian writings dated back to the same time that support the authenticity of the writings in the Bible. And, man is not smart enough today to make all of the prophecies of the Old testament synch up in the New Testament in the person of Jesus, let alone make them happen in that person. And we are certainly smarter today than we were back then!

Answer 3

Jesus was quoting Psalms 22:1 when he said "Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani" Jesus went to his death for our sins your and mine. I questioned the whole thing and the more I look in to it the more I found it to be true and then I was saved and born again. God is all knowing. Be a skeptic read the Bible search it out. Put it to the test. You many find that there was 100's of scientific facts in it. 1000's of prophecy's that have come true. A history that has been found to be true and evidence to back it up. Be a skeptic. Read Job 40 and you will find dinosaurs. Read Hebrews 11 and you will find the atom. you may be surprised at what you find.

Answer 4

You assume that Jesus did not have a will of his own as well...but did you not ever read that before they arrested him and took him to the cross he wrestled with the whole idea of doing Gods will? BUT he said NOT MY WILL , BUT YOURS...Jesus could have chosen not to do it Gods way and no one would have been saved. Just because God knew that Jesus would chose to do his will does not take away from the fact that Jesus still chose and he went willingly to the cross. To save all sinners Anyone who would call on his name and by the way it is still not too late for you either God Bless You.....Oh and to answer your last remark When Jesus was on the cross he BECAME SIN...So the Spirit of God left him and Jesus felt the separation from God for the first time and that is when God turned his head and Jesus cried out "My God My God Why have you forsaken me".. I am impressed though if you keep on searching you might find what you are looking for PS Read about the crucifixion in Isaiah 53 (the whole chapter) also can find some in Isaiah 50:1-7..study that and get back with me

Answer 5

This may be your understanding. Some of us have questioned it and have researched it and have come to different conclusions. Based on Edgar Casey's account that Jesus has many Lives. One of those lives was Joshua who fought the battle of Jericho. In that battle, he killed many people. This created a Karmic debt. The debt must be repaid. His past was so rich with good deeds that the scales of debt did not warrant he needed to return to earth.
The Earth at the time was in such Caos that the world was going to be destroyed were it not for the Love of Christ for humanity. The plan was that Jesus would be born and the Christ would enter and take the Karmic debt of the world.
It is my belief that this did happen and bought us all time.
That Statement said on the cross was Jesus reciting the Psalms of David. It was not recorded properly. The words were,
" My God, My God, Thou has never forsaken me or any of thy children, for thy children can come to thee as I have come. They can see my life as I have lived my life, thus by living that life, they do incorporate the Christ and become one with you God my Father." From the books, " The Life and teachings of the Masters of the far East" .
The Bible inspired and written by man. People believe in Jesus the Christ story because they choose to or NOT.
Our choice just might be all that is needed. As I see it, that is a better choice than nothing to believe in other than yourself.
Guess that is why so many more intelligent people than me are believers.
Rev. TomCat

Answer 6

Matthew 27:46 tells us that about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” which means, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Here, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that, God had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was experiencing a separation from God for the only time in all of eternity. This was also a fulfillment of the prophetic statement in Psalm 22:1.

“Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46). Here, Jesus is willingly giving up His soul into the Father’s hands, indicating that He was about to die – and that God had accepted His sacrifice. “He offered up Himself without spot to God” (Hebrews 9:14).

“It is finished!” (John 19:30). Jesus’ last words meant that His suffering was over and the whole work His Father had given Him to do, which was to preach the Gospel, work miracles, and obtain eternal salvation for His people, was done, accomplished, fulfilled. The debt of sin was paid.

Answer 7

God sent His son Jesus in a human form. He was given free will and yet He didn't exercise His power (when tested for 40 days in the desert). He lived as a human and experienced pain and fear too. In the garden of Gethesame He prayed that God would take away this cup of poison from Him either because of His human fear, or because He felt that He was not ready (still too much to do, to teach). Yet at the end He decided, volunteered to lay down His life to complete the mission. He could have said no, but He chose to die for us for our sins. His cries at the end could be because of His human side; or because He felt the abandoning of His disciples out of fear, of people who ridiculed Him, even though He loves us so much.

Answer 8

Ok, let me straighten that for you. Jesus from the very begining (of creation, knowing man would sin) was a folunteer. So it was prophecised that He would die (prophecy, you know what that is??? fore telling of things to come) So you see He already knew, and He did it out of love.

ANd as for the last statement: "Eloi, Eloin lama sabchthni!"
That is simple, you see for a very second, before He died (Christ) He was carrying all the sins of the earth upon Himself. All the sins (present, past, and future) and at that very moment even God couldtn't look at this awfulness... God can not stand sin. Jesus knew that too, even before He was born He knew. But remember after this Jesus said: "Father, all is accomplished!" Then later Father resurected Him to bring Him back to His glory. At that moment Jesus had totally triumphed from the spiritual death for us.

Answer 9

Why do you not understand the two-fold nature of Jesus?
Fully God, and fully man, He is the only begotten (birthed) Son and was named Jesus, who walked as a man among mankind.

Essentially, God sent Himself to redeem man, and that portion of the Trinity was clothed in flesh like His creation. He volunteered Himself.
The human nature of Jesus cries out to the Father, still in heaven. YHWH sent the Word to Earth to be punished and sacrificed, AND TO RAISE HIM UP AGAIN. It's pretty simple.

Answer 10

It says in the bible that Jesus choose to die for us. Plus, I agree with the guy above me. Plus, if your talking about the passage where Jesus went in the Garden and ask not to do this, he also ask God for strength after to endure what is yet to come.