deut 6:4 proves jehovah is one person not three?

Question

Deut 6:4 says there is ONE JEHOVAH. (Jehovah our God is one Jehovah) Not Three.
Trinitarians say that the word “One’ here which is echad which means according to them is “compound unit of oneness”. Then Trinitarians say that if God is only one person, Deut 6:4 should have used the word “yachid” which means united, sole. See Judges 11:34

Because it uses the word “echad”, according to Trinitarians, then God can be composed of three persons.

The Bible disagrees with the Trinitarians’ reasoning about Deut 6:4.

Why?

Strong’s dictionary defines echad as united one, alone, one, only.

Ecc 4:9 (“Two are better than one (echad)”) basically says that echad is one. Not two, not three, but one.

What does the context in Deut 6 states about God? IS God one person or three persons?

Deut 6:6 states “ I command thee this day”. Notice it used the word “I”. This word is never used for more than one person, in the Bible it always refer to ONE Person and NOT THREE. Nor do you use the word “I’ for collective nouns, which according to Trinitarians the word “God” is a collective noun.

Because of this, many Trinitarians have to accept ILLOGICAL and non-Biblical things to prove the Trinity doctrine.

God definitely understands the words “We” and “I” , if God is three persons, He should have used “We”

Again, Why does the Bible use the terms “I”, “I am” “I only”, to describe God? Those terms are only used for ONE PERSON, not three persons. Can a Trinitarian please provide an example where you use “I am” as three persons? Do you use the term “I only” if you have somebody with you or help you?

IF the Father is Jehovah , the Son is Jehovah and the holy Spirit is Jehovah, then there are THREE Jehovah.

Conclusion :

Deut 6:4 says there is ONE JEHOVAH. (Jehovah our God is one Jehovah) Not Three Jehovah.
Jehovah is one person, not three. Deut 6:6 , Ecc 4:9


What do you think?

Regarding Gen 1:26

When someone says “My mother said “Let us make some apple pies””

Because it uses the phrase “let us”, does it make the mother three persons?

Answer 1

As many of the answers show the word echad has many uses.

It is used as AV — one 687, first 36, another 35, other 30, any 18, once 13, every 10, certain 9, an 7, some 7,

even when used as the one flesh of a married couple, it doesn't mean the two are literally the same person.

It means they are united in purpose and thought.

All of the words used show a separation of individuals.

Even the context of the Deut. 6:4 shows that Jehovah is to be separate from all other gods.

Deut. chapter 5, 'No other gods before me.' 'Do not use my name in vain'

Deut 6:1,2,& 3 contain the expression 'Jehovah YOUR God'

Verse 4, which is the only time this expression is used:

4 “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.

Was used to separate Jehovah from the trinity of gods worshiped in Canaan.

According to Harper’s Bible Dictionary

Baal / Bel ,

translates into English as Lord

offspring of El, (Hebrew for God)

worshiped as a triad / trinity.

Following vs 4 we now come to the Greatest Commandment!

5 And you must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your vital force.

We should never be limping on two opinions.

We must serve Baal (Lord) or we must serve Jehovah.

As for me and my household we shall serve Jehovah.

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Answer 2

Actually your wrong. If you were to study Hebrew grammer and sentence structure you would understand that.

You would understand that it is also not a statement of the nature of God but a declaration that He is Israels only God.

If you would read the context of the passage for example go back and read the first five chapters where it recounts the exodus and the giving of the ten commandments and all the things that God had done for the Israelites even to the point where the israelites said don't speak to us anymore just tell Moses and we will do it. then it finally culminates in a declartion Hear (and by hebrew thought hearing and obeying) oh Israel, The Lord your God, The Lord Alone. Now I know you translate echad as one and normally that would be valid but echad is also translated alone in the scriptures. If you don't put the IS in the statement and its not there in the hebrew, then it is grammatically incorrect even in the hebrew however alone is.

Further more this is not the first time this declaration was made. Jacob made his sons put their hands under His thigh and had them declare that they would worship only YHVH and no other.

That is what this scripture is talking about.

I however am not a trinitarian. I do believe that Yahshua is the YHVH of the old testiment. The evidence for that is all over the torah and the prophets.

Scripture also says that the twelve tribes of many people are One (echad) it also says to assemble the parts of the tabernacle into One (echad) tabernacle. Sorry one obscure scripture does not a doctrine make.

Edit: If your mother said let us make some apple pie she just might be including you in the process hmm? My family is pretty normal we don't refer to ourselves as we and us when we mean I and me.

Answer 3

God is one God. That was stressed throughout the Old Testament because the Hebrews were enslaved to the Egyptians who were polytheistic. They were also surrounded by other cultures who were polytheists. To introduce the Trinity when Israel was first starting out would've been too confusing because of the polytheistic nations that they were leaving. But in Deuteronomy 6:4 it says "Jehovah our Elohim (a plural name for God) is one Jehovah." Joshua 5:13-6:2 talks about Joshua meeting a "man" who calls himself the captain of the armies of the Lord. Then in 6:2 it says "Jehovah said unto Joshua...."
And the Spirit of God is mentioned many places as well, including Genesis 1:2.

The Trinity is clearly taught in the New Testament in Matthew 3:16, 17 and in 28:19 where Jesus tells them to baptize in the Name of the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. Two apostolic benedictions show "in capsule form the trinitarian thinking of the Early Church." One is II Corinthians 13:14 and another is Jude 20-21. One shows Jesus mentioned first and the other shows the Holy Spirit mentioned first. This indicates that neither the Son nor the Spirit are inferior to the Father. And when Jesus ascends into heaven, He says that He will send another Comforter but says later, "lo, I am with you always" (Matthew 28:20). Jesus Christ often prays to God the Father, so we know those two are distinct.

"To the finite human mind the Unity of God and the Trinity of God are contradictions, but both doctrines are clearly taught throughout the New Testament. The Tri-unity of God is, in fact, the foundation stone of the Christian faith. Every time in Church history that the doctrine of the Trinity has been compromised, the other major Bible tenets have also been compromised or abandoned. Those who have denied the Trinity have also denied the Deity of Christ, the Virgin Birth, the Vicarious Atonement, the Personality of the Holy Spirit; or else, they have made God a stage player wearing three different masks....In the second century two separatist groups denied the doctrine of the Trinity; one came to be called 'Monarchianism,' the other 'Sabellianism.' The first denied the Deity of Christ and the Personality of the Holy Spirit; the second denied separate identities of the Three Persons, declaring that Jesus and the Holy Spirit were only different modes of the one Person, or different guises by which He manifested Himself. Both of these, reasoning humanly, thought they were guarding the Unity of God. Today we have offspring of these heresies in Unitarianism and in the 'Jesus Only' or 'Oneness' doctrines.

The mainstream of the Church has persistently rejected these false teachings. By the beginning of the fourth century it became incumbent upon the church to convene a council of leaders and pastors to formulate the Apostolic doctrines to which they held....[T]he doctrines of the Deity of Christ and that of the Trinity were upheld and formulated into what we call the Nicene Creed....The major Protestant bodies have closely followed this ancient creed of the fourth century. The best known of the reformation creeds is the Westminster Confession,...These creeds and confessions rightly do not attempt to remove the mystery of the Trinity or to reconcile the scriptural statements with finite reasoning. The compilers tried to include all that Scripture teaches about the Three Persons of the Trinity without any effort to show how God can be both One and Three. The creeds are human documents, and are not infallible; nevertheless, the main stream of the Church has followed the wording of the Nicene and Athanasian creeds with very little variation."

And of course, "Because it is a mystery, we do not expect to reduce it to logical formulas anymore than we would attempt to transfer the Pacific Ocean into a teacup."

Answer 4

I just wanted to add. Lets just for a min say that the Trinidadians are correct. The fact would still remain that Jesus didn't want us to see it this way. He wanted us to worship his father and only his father. He wanted us to do his fathers will. So maybe the focus should be switched around. How can we all follow Jesus example? Just study what Jesus did when he was on the earth. Try to follow it. Then ever thing else will be opened to us. I guess I'm just saying that if Jesus (even if you think he is god or not.) wanted us to serve ONE person. Not three in one. He wanted us to do the will of his father. So that's what we should be doing.
How many of us do what Jesus commanded us to do?

Answer 5

I suggest you read your Deut.6:4 text again.
It does not eliminate the 'Trinity'. At that time and place the Israelites focus was on the Jehovah (YHWH, Adonii) Lord (the Lord Jesus Christ). Remember also the English term God, comes from multiple Hebrew terms (ballpark 10) some singular, some plural. 'Echad' can easily mean 1 (family).

Answer 6

Deut. 6:4 is in accordance with Trinity. 3 person is not 3 gods.
God is One!
This doctrine comes from the New Testament with hints from the Old Testament.

First, at the baptism of Jesus, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were present. As soon as Jesus came up out of the water, "he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, ‘This is my Son, whom I love and with him I am well pleased’" (Matt. 3:16-17). The Father’s voice sounded from above and affirmed the Sonship of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit descended on him and empowered him.

Second, at the end of the same Gospel, Jesus is resurrected, and he commissions the disciples to go into all the world and preach the gospel. These two verses are part of the Great Commission, which Evangelicals take seriously. "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" ... (Matt 28:18-19).

Answer 7

I think you are using the Hebrew word Echad in a way foreign to it... In Duet 6:4 the Hebrew word is echad... which allows a composite unity and can be seen in Genesis by example
it allows diversity within a unity

"the two shall become one (Echad) flesh"
the one (echad) clump of grapes

as actually used in the Old Testament echad allows a composite unity and is consistent with the trinity

now Yachid... is more like 'only' an indivisible unity... 'take your son your only (yachid) Son'
If it said God is Yachid... that would be more in line with what you're saying but it doesn't

Answer 8

Recall the very first verse of the Bible.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth."
The word translated here as "God" is the Hebrew word "Elohim", which is plural.

Jump to the first chapter of the gospel of John.
"In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God. And the Word was God. The same was with God in the beginning...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us".

You got a problem with that?

Answer 9

because Jesus said you seen me you seen the Father, so they take that as Jesus is God, not so. Jehovah is the Father who created Jesus Christ, who lived with Jehovah for billions of years before he came to earth. no one has ever seen Jehovah, not even Moses who only seen Jehovah's back. because no one can see Jehovah and live. who was Jesus Christ praying to when on earth, why would he pray to himself. when Jesus was baptized, Jehovah came down like a dove and said this is my son the beloved. why would Jesus say on the stake, Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing, if he was God. also the Holy Spirit is Jehovah's active Force.

Answer 10

The New Testament letters basically refer to Father Son and Holy Spirit
and I believe that there were cults that had poly gods or worshipped many gods and the stars etc: which God was not pleased with
the first commandment makes it clear that we should not have any other God before Him and to love the Lord our God with all our hearts, soul, mind and strength and neighbor as our self; Jesus referred to this in the N T

it is written in the Old Testament The Lord our God is One, not many; and Him only shalt thou worship;
If we keep the first commandment (and we can because God has written the laws in our hearts and in our minds)
except for a few exceptions (Moses, ELijah) the Holy Spirit was not given until Pentecost and Jesus was not known back then
some churches make a doctrine out of oneness and put people in bondage