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Christians claim this verse proves Jesus was God.
One day to prove a point, Jesus picked up a child and said to his disciples; "Whoever receives this child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me receives Him who sent me;"LK 9:48
This specific act of Christ Jesus and/or his explicit statement concerning this Child does not make; the Child and the Christ, co-equal or one in status.
The next question would be did Jesus admit he too was sent by God just as he was sending the Child?
Jesus said: "...and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed me." JN 8:28
Jesus said: "...I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak." JN 12:49
Jesus said; "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither one who is sent greater than the one who sent him." JN 13:16

Its clear that Jesus is NOT God right?

2007-06-19 04:37:34 · 26 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Among Christians, there are people who believe that Jesus is NOT God. However, there are still some, who believes very strongly in the Man Made Theory of Trinity.
This said, there are also this idea that Jesus was the first creation of God. As the Christians' fundamental belief system come tumbling one by one, I am sure that this notion will also disappear.
Jesus was just a human being like everyone of us, Except, chosen by God for his mission. Its as simple as that.

2007-06-19 22:39:06 · answer #1 · answered by The Skeptic 4 · 0 5

As you have already pointed out, they are one in mind, one in the way they think, one in the mission Jesus was sent to do. There is the Father and the son Jesus, but Jesus was the God of the OT. for no man can see God and live, Jesus has always been with the Father and created everything with the power of God.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

2007-06-19 04:57:50 · answer #2 · answered by His eyes are like flames 6 · 4 0

Whats the real meaning of John 14:9 "He who has seen me has seen the Father." ?

Christians claim this verse proves Jesus was God.

No, you claim Christians claim this verse proves Jesus was God.


"One day [sic] to prove a point, Jesus picked up a child and said to his disciples; "Whoever receives this child in my name receives me; and whoever receives me receives Him who sent me;"LK 9:48
This specific act of Christ Jesus and/or his explicit statement concerning this Child does not make; the Child and the Christ, co-equal or one in status."

Duh.


"The next question would be did Jesus admit he too was sent by God just as he was sending the Child?"

The first question is resolved? What was your point?
And why are you changing the context in midstream? Jesus said nothing about "sending" the child.

"Jesus said: "...and that I do nothing on my own, but I speak these things as the Father instructed me." JN 8:28
Jesus said: "...I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak." JN 12:49
Jesus said; "Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master; neither one who is sent greater than the one who sent him." JN 13:16

Its clear that Jesus is NOT God right?"

Your flow of logic has much to be desired. There is a system of flow for this sort of thing called "argument mapping." Put it in a search engine and find the resource.

You have no clear cut premise, and from the scanty evidence of your premise you draw a very broad conclusion.

2007-06-19 04:50:08 · answer #3 · answered by Hogie 7 · 2 2

Actually, the entire gospel of John concerned itself with the matter of Jesus being God. John 1:1 starts off by talking about Jesus as the Word of God and equating His status with God the Father. I'm sorry that I don't remember the exact verses, but if you read John 11 I believe, you will see Jesus make a statement that He and the Father were One. Now some have interpreted that to mean that He was not declaring Himself to be God, but that He and God the Father's mission were so intertwined, that His life's mission was close to God. But the Jews response to Jesus makes the statement to mean something else because they pick up stones to stone Him and say that He, a meer man, equates Himself to God. There's also another statement where Jesus says before Abraham existed, He existed. These are not statements that a normal prophet or a godly man would make. There are only two rational conclusions a person can draw here:

- Jesus was nuts (which means He's not a good man, not a teacher, and definitely not God)
- He is who He says He is.

Please remember that Jesus left the ultimate conclusion up to you and me. He's the one who asked His followers "Who do you say I am?" So it's up to you to figure out who Jesus is in your life.

God bless you on your journey.

2007-06-19 04:53:15 · answer #4 · answered by mochung 2 · 2 3

This verse means that Jesus Christ is the representative of the Father. It also means that he looks like the Father. It also means that his will is exactly the same as the Fathers, there are no differences between them.

Jesus always reiterated that God had sent him. This was a continuation of the role he played in the Old Testament. In the OT, it is quite clear that God had an agent, sometimes called the Angel of Yahweh, that acted in his name. Often when God appeared or had interaction with mankind, it was stated that it was the Angel of the Lord that actually performed those functions. Some scholars have claimed that this was actually a second God for Israel. This is the figure that Jesus claimed to be. He was the representative, the mediator, between God and humans.

Col. 1:15, Heb. 1:3--Jesus Christ is the image, or the express image, of the Father. I take this to mean that he is like a carbon copy of the Father. He looks just like the Father looks. When we see him, it is as if we were seeing the Father. That explains John 14:9.

I think your other points, as demonstrated by the scriptures you cite, are excellent in showing how Jesus was not the Father. Christ is obviously subordinate to the Father. Another good scripture is John 17:

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

It is very obvious to me that Jesus is not praying that his disciples be part of the Trinity with Jesus and the Father. Rather, he is demonstrating that the Oneness he has with the Father is a unity of will, purpose, and love. He is not one with the Father in person or substance--if he were, how could his disciples be one with him, "even as" he and the Father are one?

So, yes, I agree with you that Jesus is not the Father, God Most High.

2007-06-19 05:10:09 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. The Trinity is God the Father, Jesus Christ (God in the Flesh) and the Holy Spirit, (God in the Spirit form). Befor the Cross Jesus was led by the Holy Spirit (God) because he was man. After the 3 days he arose, with a new body, Heavenly Body no longer flesh. But a glorified body.

2007-06-19 04:55:07 · answer #6 · answered by sparkplug 4 · 0 1

He said "whoever welcomes this little child, welcomes me, for he who is the least among you - he is the greatest" Luke 9:48
this was in response to the disciples questioning each other about who was the greatest disciple and them infering that their actions and knowledge made them better. That is why Jesus took the humble little child and told them that they need to become less to become more.
It has nothing to do with receiving a child into your heart the way you recieve God.

And yes Jesus was sent by God to preach the gospel, that doesn't mean he is not part of the 3in1 trinity. Jesus was "God made flesh". He was the flesh part of the trinity.

2007-06-19 04:50:41 · answer #7 · answered by comer59 3 · 2 1

There are many more verses than this. The first Adam was made in the image of God; body, soul & spirit. Then at the fall, died spiritually (forbidden the tree of life). Then within an age/day died physically also (turning to dust again). So God puts the souls where God puts the souls.

Genesis 3:15 is a prophetic verse of the redeemer who will be the seed of the woman (not conceived of mans seed) and so will me also born without sin nature & to be tested like the 1st Adam & to overcome the snakes deception & also the death curse for mankind. Jesus fulfilled this by being born of a woman, conceived of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus, in His Humanity, is also the express image of God (Like the 1st Adam before the fall). Jesus humanity is body, soul & spirit. The rest of us need to be born again, born of His Spirit, cleansed by His blood to receive everlasting life. See, Jesus was 100% Human also. But He is also the Word of the Trinity God. the LORD God, the Father, Word & Holy Spirit. God said, "Let Us make man in our Image...".

Jesus said that He Is the bread that came down from heaven. He who sees Jesus, sees the Father in Jesus. Father God is actually too bright & strong for us to actually visualize. But Jesus is the Express image of God in His Humanity and also He Is the Word of God in His Deity.

The Word of God came from heaven to earth and dwelt among us as one of us. This is Gods way of restoring us in Him.


Hogi, you write of the connection of Jesus with the children. Reminds me of last night cbs news where Iraqi police & US military found the mentally disabled children chained to their beds starving to death in a government supported orphanage. I cried when I watched that. But could see the love of God that someone told someone of this. Last night Jesus said He knew these children were going through this. And more children are going through this today. And, so, when these soldiers & policemen helped these children escape from this abuse, they were helping Jesus. Jesus saw it all. And I think these atrocities should always be revealed on international news. Tell the world.

2007-06-19 04:57:36 · answer #8 · answered by LottaLou 7 · 1 0

Not according to the Apostle Paul...


Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

2007-06-19 04:47:33 · answer #9 · answered by Mr. E 7 · 5 0

In John 8, Jesus was being accused by his enemies of simple making up his teachings. Jesus answer was that it was not something he was making up, but something he was being told by God to tell them. Nothing in that denies the diety of Jesus.

John 12 falls in the same vein. Again Jesus confirms that his message is something coming from God himself. Nothing in that denies the diety of Jesus.

John 13 placed in context:
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

Jesus was talking about himself being their Lord and Mater, and that if he could humble themselves to serve them, they ought to be doing the same. Because, they are the servants and he is the master. If anything, this verse shows that Jesus claimed to their Lord and Master. Nothing in this verse denies the diety of Jesus. Rather is would affirm Jesus' claim to be Lord and Master (both names of God).

In the incident with the child, Jesus reaffirms a principle that is seen many times in scriptures. Anyone who does something good for another person IN JESUS' NAME, --meaning acting on Jesus' behalf and command -- will be reward just as if they had done it for Jesus himself. If anything, this affirms the diety of Jesus. If he is not God, Lord and Master, then he is in blasphemy when he tells people they will be rewarded for doing things on his command and authority. Nothing in that teaching denies the deity of Jesus.

So, based on those scriptures, it is clear that Jesus is God.

2007-06-19 04:55:18 · answer #10 · answered by dewcoons 7 · 2 0

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