Millions of universes?

Question

I was talking to an atheist friend and, as offten happens, the discution ended in the R&S grounds. I asked him about the minimal odds life would have to stabilish itself and evolve begining with natural physical processes only. Also, i asked him about the so called "fine tunning" of the physical laws of the universe(i really dislike the therm “fine tunning”). Their beauty and how they seem to work perfectly to allow life here on earth.

He awnsered sayng that there is a hipothesis that says that there are maybe an infinnite numbers of different universes with an infinite numbers of constelations in them and an infinite numbers of solar sistems and an ifinite number of planets in them. Well that got me thinking:

1)Even if that is true, i don’t believe that this makes the existence of God “unnecessary”. Also it dosent, in my opinion, makes atheism more plausible.
2)Is there any shread of evidence for this millions of billions of universes hipothesis? To me it seems as scientific as intelligent design.
Just making thigs up to fit your beliefs in the spiritual realm has always been very bad for science...

What are your oppinions? Do you have information on this hipothesis? Maybe i’m wrong, maybe its pretty scientific, and if it is so, my original argument (that i used with my friend) is busted but does it really changes anything about the existance of God and our relations with him, does it makes atheism more plausible?

Now that the question is asked, lets get some things straight:
I'm a Christian
1)I'm not an ignorant (not a nuclear physicist also)
2)I don't intent to offend you and I clearly care about your opinions or else i wouldn't be asking.
3)I respect you independently of your religious, political beliefs, sexual preferences etc (unless you're like a pedophyle, nazy or something like that).
4)Who am I to tell you where you're going after you die? nobody, i dont have this authority (rethorical question)
5)English not be native language of mine

I hope i'm just being silly about my pre emptive defense here, but i've recived some pretty offensive accusations that were unsuported by any actions i might have taken in the past.

thanks people!!!

Great awnsers!!!

Answer 1

The multiple universe theory is coming out of M theory (which is really a hypotheses not a theory) M theory does hang together somewhat but there is no compelling evidence for it. People are designing and building experiments to look at this as we speak.(type!)

If M theory is right, or even close, then there is an oodleplex of oodleplexes of universes, so one is almost certainly going to look like ours. In fact lots will look like ours.


A couple of other thoughts:
Even if there is only one universe in the 11 to 15 dimensions that appear to actually exist, then there are some indications that only a few permutations of those 'finely tuned' parameters are actually possible, which makes it much more probable that our universe would happen.

We are as we are because the universe is as it is. This may seem obvious, but it has deep implications. If the universe was slightly different, then we would not be here as we are today. But that is not to say that life could not have come about in a different way. Maybe chlorine based life rather than carbon, or whatever the laws of that different universe permitted.

Think on this.
Take a dice, roll it, write down the number. Repeat 200 times.

The probability of getting that particular sequence is 6^200, or 1 in 4.268 x 10^155 You are about as likely to win the lottery jackpot every week for the next year, but you just did it in a few minutes.

How was it that you managed to come up with that exact sequence?

Is it actually possible to not come up with a sequence that is so improbable?


Life wants to happen in the universe, just from the nature of life once it starts replicating itself then it will keep going for as long as the laws and resources of the universe permit it.

Just because on this planet, at this time, in this universe it has happened to end up with the forms it has does not mean that that is the only way it can happen.

Answer 2

This is a theory of physics, not a theory of astronomy.

But the multiple-universes theory is not necessary to explain the "odds" of life. There are enough stars in the *visible* universe that, even if a small fraction have planets about the size of the earth, this is still plenty to make the "odds" of life occurring at least once in the universe pretty high.

It is impossible to state whether the odds of the universe having the laws it does is likely or unlikely. We simply have nothing else to compare it to.

But what is certain is that, given the laws of the universe as we now discover them, the evolution of life on earth on this planet is not improbable at all.

Answer 3

He is referring to String Theory. Read as much as you can about it and understand it before jumping to conclusions.

Now remember, this is Scientific Theory (big T) which means it acts just like a Scientific Law (see Gravity) but is far more complex (see Theory of Relativity).

Other big T Theories include: The Theory of Elasticity, The Theory of Evolution, Cell Theory, and Atomic Theory.

String Theory is what he referred to.

Answer 4

Check out M Theory

Answer 5

A dream I had as quickly as... i grew to become into on the coastline and gathered a rock, unexpectedly i got here across myself focusing in on a grain in the rock, on the minerals in the grain, on the atoms interior this mineral and then better... I regarded at an atom, it grew to become into the universe. via all the celebrities i got here across a blue planet - it grew to become into Earth. I observed a coastline and on it grew to become right into a guy, staring down at a rock. at as quickly as, I circled. And purely for a split 2d I swear I observed a watch staring down at me from heaven.... this is how I view our place interior the universe

Answer 6

I see your counter-arguments to them , but can't actually see peoples answers ? Am I blind ?

Edit: whoopsie, there's the disclaimer at the end.

Yes, no proof that Human is as high as it gets, no proof of what started it all. Atheists have decided that, on the (lack of) evidence presented, there is not even the slightest possibility of a lifeform higher than human existing. Apparently the onus is on you to "prove" that there is. I don't know how they got to decide that, they just did.

Answer 7

There are quite possibly many universes. Ours has an edge and therefore there may be something out side of it.

Answer 8

Not everyone is that 'atheist friend'.

But that hypothesis is very interesting for sure.

Answer 9

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