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Nowhere in Hebrew texts, or hebrew OT is that name given. Nor in any Muslims texts.
It is only given once in the bible when refering to Venus, the morning star, King Nebachanezzar, of Babylon, in the same passage.
Nowhere else is Lucifer mentioned.
Why do christians insist Satan is Lucifer?

2007-06-19 02:24:19 · 16 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

in arabic, he's name is shaitan - satan.
Lucifers name is not that of an angel.

2007-06-19 02:31:06 · update #1

OT is based on hebrew texts. In Isiah:
that lucifer passage is about Venus, the planet - in the pentateuch.

2007-06-19 02:35:30 · update #2

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No, no, no, no, no

The whole Lucifer thing is not true. There's only one verse that speaks of this "Lucifer," in Isaiah 14. The King James says

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

First of all, read the whole chapter. You'll see it's talking about the King of Babylon throughout. It talks about the king of babylon, the king of babylon, the king of babylon, the DEVIL?

Second of all, Lucifer is not the translation of any Hebrew word. The Hebrew word here is eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill, meaning howl.

Here's a table of all the times this word appears in the Old Testament.

Isa. 13:6 eiliu Howl ye
Isa. 14:31 eili Howl
Isa. 15:2 iilil shall howl
Isa. 15:3 iilil shall howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil Howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil shall howl
Isa. 23:1 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:6 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:14 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 52:5 eililu make to howl
Isa. 65:14 eililu shall howl
Jer. 4:8 ueililu Howl
Jer. 25:34 eililu Howl
Jer. 47:2 ueill and shall howl
Jer. 48:20 eilili Howl
Jer. 48:31 ailil will I howl
Jer. 48:39 eililu They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3 eilili Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8 eililu howl
Ezek.30:2 eililu Howl ye
Hos. 7:14 iililu They howled
Joel 1:5 ueililu And howl
Joel 1:11 eililu howl
Joel 1:13 eililu And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1 ueililu and howl
Micah 1:8 uailile howl ye
Zeph. 1:11 aililu Howl
Zech.11:2 eill howl
Zech.11:2 eililu howl
Isa. 14:12 eill Lucifer (??)

The Condordant Literal Old Testament Translation says,

"How you have fallen from the heavens! Howl, son of the dawn! You are hacked down to the earth, defeater of all nations."

This is correct. Listen, Job 26:13 "His hand hath formed the crooked serpent."

He made the devil as the devil, not as some angel who rebelled. Why, then do Christians refuse to believe this? Because they absolutely cannot admit that God creates evil even though he says it plainly:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." (Isaiah 45:7)

2007-06-19 02:43:33 · answer #1 · answered by Steven M 1 · 1 0

People have been taught that Lucifer is the name of God's great adversary by their misinformed clergymen. That is not true. The designations "Satan" ans "Devil" are not his names either, although he has been called by both terms.

The expression “shining one,” or “Lucifer,” is found in SOME BIBLES in what Isaiah prophetically commanded the Israelites to pronounce as a “proverbial saying against the king of Babylon.” Thus, it is part of a saying primarily directed at the Babylonian dynasty. That the description “shining one” is given to a man and not to a spirit creature is further seen by the statement: “Down to Sheol you will be brought.” Sheol is the common grave of mankind—not a place occupied by Satan the Devil. Moreover, those seeing Lucifer brought into this condition ask: “Is this the man that was agitating the earth?” Clearly, “Lucifer” refers to a human, not to a spirit creature. Isaiah 14:4, 15, 16.

2007-06-19 02:44:45 · answer #2 · answered by LineDancer 7 · 0 1

The name Lucifer comes from the translation of Isaiah 14, which literally means bright star, shining star, or morning star. It is a description of Satan before his rebellion against God. Passages like Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 teach that Satan was created the highest, most beautiful of the angels, but that his pride and desire for God's own throne resulted in him being cast out of heaven and being given the name Satan.

2007-06-19 02:45:50 · answer #3 · answered by Freedom 7 · 1 0

Lucifer is the Roman name for the morning star. In Hebrew the word helel (a phonetic spelling of the Hebrew without the marks above the vowels because I don't know how to do that) means the bright one. From the concordance I used, I only see Lucifer as being used once in the bible.

In Isaiah 14:12 the scripture says: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations?
In Luke 10:18 Jesus says: I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Lucifer fell from heaven, so did Satan.

Returning to Isaiah 14, go to verses 13 and 14. They tell of the heart of Lucifer and his desires. He said in his heart that he would ascend into heaven, exalt his throne above the stars of God, sit upon the mount of the congregation, ascend above the heights of the clouds and be like the most High. When you read in Luke 4:5-8, you see that Satan desires to be worshiped as God.

Lucifer is said to weaken the nations. In Revelation 20:7-10 you read that Satan will deceive the nations. The result is he is cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. In verse 15 of Isaiah 14, it says of Lucifer: Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell to the sides of the pit. So what is said about Lucifer being brought down to hell to the sides of the pit also happens to Satan.

From these similarities, I could reason that Lucifer and Satan could be one and the same. You might also want to read Ezekial 28.

2007-06-19 03:31:52 · answer #4 · answered by P 4 · 1 0

There are rules to prophecy. One rule is: prophecy can be near and distant future, and it can have more than one subject reference. Has Venus fallen from the heavens? Did Nebuchadnezzar?

Jesus said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will build it again." The Jews thought He was talking about the temple in Jerusalem, but they were wrong. Don't make the same mistake. Although Satan is his name now, Lucifer was his angelic appelation.

2007-06-19 02:33:52 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

AntiOccult,
My first name was only written on my Birth Certificate. It is the same as my dad, grandfather, son, and grandson's name yet there are a number of people who find it and refer to me as being that name. I have always been called by my middle name. The same reasoning appears to be the case for Lucifer. I NEVER call him by that name but some others refer to satan by that name. I do not really believe that it is important to know his name as it is to know how he acts to interfere with our worship and praise of GOD. Satan caused us to enter into sin and to die. We read that "all have sinned and fall short ofthe glory of GOD". I am hopeful that we are able to follow Christ into heaven and stray from satan's path. Have a wonderful day and a glorious week.
Thank you,
Eds

2007-06-19 02:35:25 · answer #6 · answered by Eds 7 · 1 0

Lucifer was one of God's favorite angels before he was cast out of Heaven. Thus called Satan.

2007-06-19 02:33:19 · answer #7 · answered by AJM 5 · 2 0

Only when referring to those that believe Satan is Lucifer.And you are wrong about the Hebrew texts.

2007-06-19 07:08:51 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Isaiah 14:12-14 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

Lucifer was the name given to satan before he claimed to be as great as God.

2007-06-19 02:30:42 · answer #9 · answered by Prayer Warrior 5 · 3 1

Lucifer comes from Roman mythology, he is the "Bearer of Light" and also The Morning and Evening Star. Early Christians borrowed heavily from the Romans. Even the bearded God is Zeus.

2007-06-19 02:30:11 · answer #10 · answered by Swamp 2 · 1 3

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