now make equations of all possibilites with the results after death.
believe + present == you win (paradise)
believe + not present== lose nothing
not believe + present== lose every thing (Hell)
not believe + not present ==win nothing
for me as a muslim i'm in the 1st equation.
2007-06-19 00:57:10 · 21 answers · asked by wade3_wender 2 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Another way of stating Pascal's Wager.
Atheists don't like it because it makes sense, and shoots all of their pseudo-intellectual arguments down. Basically what it amounts to is: Really, what have you got to lose by believing?? Even if it turned out to not be true, so what - at least you've lived a good life, loving and helping your fellow man, and what's wrong with that? A sort of win-win situation. Not necessarily so with atheism.
2007-06-19 01:06:23 · answer #1 · answered by the phantom 6 · 0⤊ 3⤋
Another lame Pascal's Wager post...
Actually, you are in one of the following equations:
1) believe + god who hates Muslims present = Hell
2) believe + Muslim god = Paradise (if it was interpretted correctly)
3) believe + indifferent god = who knows?
4) believe + no gods = wasting your one short life on a superstitious institution that strives to promote intolerance, bigotry, repressive laws, chauvinism, hatred, people blowing themselves up, people flying planes into buildings, and other atrocities (and this applies to all religions, not just Islam).
5) not believe + god who likes atheists who think for themselves instead of following old superstitions = paradise + not wasting your short life on superstitions
6) not believe + hyprocrite god who hates atheists but doesn't show himself to exist = Hell
7) not believe + indifferent god = who knows?
not believe + no gods = not wasting your short life on superstitions
You are hoping that you are in equation 2, though 1 and 3 are equally likely given that there is no evidence of any gods. You are most likely in 4, since there is much evidence that all those old books written by men are just supersititious nonsense.
In my case, however, no matter which equation I'm in, I'm making full use of this short life I have without wasting it on superstitions. I'm wasting some of this short life in explaining this to you, but only on the slim chance that it allows you and others to break away from superstition and live a better life, also. I'm sure that if a god exists that has any goodness to him, he'd see this as selfless charity.
2007-06-19 08:01:03 · answer #2 · answered by nondescript 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
This sounds a little like pascals wager here and as an atheist i don't believe in hell or heaven so I don't think I lose anything. If I was religious though I would lose out on living my life down here because I lived ion fear of a 'god'
2007-06-19 08:00:47 · answer #3 · answered by soundofsettling 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Man, we're drinking early again.
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Do you really not see the GIGANTIC holes in your argument?
As a logical argument, Pascal's Wager has more gaps than it has stuff between the gaps. It has to be one of the shoddiest excuses for an argument ever conceived. Yet countless believers come here presenting it as though it's a good reason for belief.
2007-06-19 07:58:56 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
By now you will have been hammered by a blizzard of references to Pascal's Wager. There are countless reasons why the logic behind what you are proposing is worthless, and I advise you to look them up. It will doubtless strengthen your faith.
Just for one thing, though, what you're suggesting is that people should believe in something simply because it confers on them some sort of gain. If I offer you $100 to believe in fairies, will you? Why not?
2007-06-19 08:11:39 · answer #5 · answered by Bad Liberal 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Yet another retarded version of Pascal's Wager.
*drink*
Might want to google that, skippy. This isn't an argument for the existence of your god... it's an argument by intimidation, and a bad one at that.
2007-06-19 08:04:10 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Considering how many times I'm running into Blaise Pascal on this forum I'm starting to think that he lives here.
2007-06-19 08:07:53 · answer #7 · answered by Bokito 6 · 3⤊ 1⤋
There are a number of religions that say they are the only correct religion. Therefore if you were to pick the wrong one, you would lose.
2007-06-19 08:01:51 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
I want a present!!
2007-06-19 09:59:56 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
As a Muslim, aren't you in the 3rd equation? I think you have it all wrong.
2007-06-19 08:05:41 · answer #10 · answered by Be me 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋