Hey ol "pastor" art - you don't know a darn thing about the Catholic Church and you prove it every time you post your lies.
2007-06-18 05:24:42
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answered by SpiritRoaming 7
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The Bible calls all Christians saints. Acts 9:13 and 32. Rom 15:26-poor among the saints? You aren't poor if you're dead and would not need ministering to either! There is nothing like the Catholic sainthood in the Bible (miracles attributed to you, good done, x number of years dead, etc).
Whether or not you worship Mary, you do put in inordinate amount of emphasis on her (Prayers about or through or to her, statues, etc). The Bible tells us to worship God and give the glory to God. I realize that Mary must have been chosen for a reason, but the Bible just doesn't say to give the, or any, glory to Mary. She deserves respect, sure, as do the people mentioned in Hebrews and James becasue they are great examples of faith in action, but I haven't seen any statues or prayers to Noah lately.
I know you don't think the "priest" forgives and that's a start, but Jesus is our mediator in the New Covenant(see Hebrews ch8-10). In Hebrews it talks about the old priesthood as a shadow of things to come--Christ.
It would seem that any similarities with a Jewish service would be a strike against Catholicism since that was the old system whose sacrifices couldn't cleanse of sins and whose leaders had become corrupt and hard hearted (letter rather than spirit and making laws where there were to be none). What's wrong with making our worship like what Jesus may have attended is that we're under the new covenant; he and others then were under the old since he hadn't died yet. The Bible tells us to take the Lord's Supper, sing, pray, meet together, study his word; he didn't say to replicate the Jewish service.
The pope is also another problem, but it goes along with the priest concept. There is no authority for a single figure over the church but Christ. Paul was told to appoint overseers in congregations, but just to do what was written. The pope is a single figure and makes laws where the Bible doesn't (birth control, etc).
Infant baptism/dedication-Biblically wrong, unnecessary.
Belief and repentence are key in salvation and babies can do neither, so they shouldn't be baptized.
They aren't sinful-Isa. 7:15; Mt. 18:3; 1 Cor. 14:20
Ecc 12:7-God gave us spirit and a perfect sinless God cannot create an innately sinful being.
This is the tip of the iceberg.
I will probably be crucified by the Catholics here, but you asked and I answered-what's wrong with the Catholic church.
2007-06-18 04:44:58
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answered by tcdrtw 4
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Read pastor art's revisionist nonsense for a great example of how protestants not only misinterpret scripture, but just about everythng else Catholic, as well.
The only way these guys can even attempt to justify the existence of their own little groups is to maintain that Jesus was a powerless liar when he promised to always be with, and to preserve the church that he personally founded, until the end of time.
So much for the idea of being saved by faith alone!
2007-06-18 06:05:50
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answered by Anonymous
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1. The Catholic Church assembled the New Testament. The Old Testament is the Hebrew Tanakh. I am not sure how assembling a collection of writings into a book lends legitimacy to a particular sect.
2. Call it what you wish, but it is perfectly reasonable to define prayers of praise "worship", and Catholics offer many prayers of praise to Mary. In fact, the Rosary offers about 5 times as many prayers to Mary than it does to any other deitiy. Furthermore, it is also reasonable to define any entity to which you can pray to for intercession on your behalf a deity, which makes Mary at the very least a demigod.
3. Again, the saints are prayed to both to offer praise and to beg for intercession. That is worship of a deity. Defining them as not "God" is a semantical game. They are still gods in the Catholic faith, they are just called something different.
4. If the priest does not forgive your sins, he is not needed in the process, and therefore confession can be done just as effectively in the home.
5. I was not aware that the Jewish service included communion, the centerpiece of Catholic mass.
By the way, I should make clear that I am not an advocate for some other branch of Christianity. I am an atheist.
2007-06-18 04:51:51
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answered by Diminati 5
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The Church of Rome starting from St. Peter took over and made her own the Christian message to be broadcast into the Roman Empire and so into the wider the World. The Church of Rome built a wordly system of eventually more or less celibate men and women to be harbingers of and to rule the Christian religious system. A churchly system of celibate men and women is against the holy biblical Law of God which declares that men and women shall mate and so populate the World. Protestant church people (priests and bishops) can be men and women and they do marry and do have their own family, spouse and children.
Soon Christians started quarreling with each other and splitting into bloodily conflicting sects and new religions (denominations) because they could not agree about the christian message and because their GREED and their CREED could not be tolerated and justified by all, as their creed was not really as genuine and as spiritual and fair (altruistic) as they advertized it to be.
Catholics do worship Our Holy Mother Mary the Immaculate Mother that conceived God's Son Jesus Christ thru the Holy Spook.
Catholic male authority elects and worships, and expects fervent worship upon, Catholic Saints. Those men and women who are recognized by the Holy Mother Church to have done a lot of catholic good and miracles and to mostly have lived a celibate life will be eligible to be elected saints.
Catholic parishioners, people who are baptized in the Church, are entitled to go to confession and to holy communion and so get the relative absolution ("ego te absolvo in nomine Patri et Filii et Spiritui Sancti (?)") by their Father Herder (Pastor). They may be asked by their Priest to recite a number of specific prayers.
As is reported in the Gospels, Jesus did a lot of "holy work", preaching and teaching, in the Synagogue, He was a Rabbi.
What is wrong with the Catholic Church is that she wants to impose on her followers a mentality and a religious and social culture and repentance described in the Gospels partly following a jewish mentality of about two thousand years ago, a mentality that may be seen as anacronistic, a mentality that if fact does not accord with the spiritual and material development that is being fervently seeked by modern independent philosophers and by sincere scientists.
It is also necessary to rembember that the Bible contains the annals of the Jewish people whose leaders contrived God in their own image and declared that He God had created them in his own image and made them His favorite elected people granting them their Promised Land that already was the homeland of other God's (?) people. Some ugly devil might suggest here that their earthly CREED and their religious CREED went hand in hand.
I am sorry to have to say all this. I am also sure that it needs some revision and additions. In any case this is one sincere "face of the truth".
2007-06-18 05:49:30
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answered by pasquale garonfolo 7
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The Only Church That Christ Established Is The Catholic Church. "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be condemned." - Mark 16:16.
In the Nicene Creed, which is accepted by most Christians, the Christian Church is described as being "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic." These are known as the four marks of the Church.
2007-06-18 06:11:05
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answered by cashelmara 7
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Protestants must find fault with the Catholic Church. They realize that their own manmade tradition came into existence through a rebellion against the Catholic Church. They also realize that their existence is a direct violation of the stated will of God, "that they all may be ONE". So, they are desperate to demonstrate that the Catholic Church is BAD, in the hopes that the BADness of the Catholic Church will somehow justify their rebellion. For if the Catholic Church is what it claims to be, and what history plainly shows it to be, then their rebellion itself was BAD, and the existence of their denominational tradition is clearly not within God's plan, and cannot be justified.
2007-06-18 04:45:03
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answered by PaulCyp 7
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1. The catholic church did not put the bible together. That's one of many lies they tell.
2. Mary is called co-redemtrix with Christ. That pretty much makes Mary, in the eyes of Catholics, to be the 4th member of the Trinity. Jesus told us to pray to his Father, not his mother.
3. Catholics do pray to saints, and Jesus said we should pray to His Father.
4. The catholic church teaches that it is the Priest doing the forgiving and this is wrong. So wrong, most catholics don't believe it.
5. The Catholic Mass was invented in the 9th century.
Here is more about the origin of the mass:
Catechism teaches:
• Originated in 9th century by Radbertus
• Declared mandatory in the 11th century, under the penalty of mortal sin (2192)
• Mass is identical to sacrifice of the cross (1367)
• Mass is a bloodless sacrifice for sins (1382)
• The altar is where Jesus is sacrificed (1383)
• Redemption is carried out by the mass (1364)
• Sacrifice is offered for souls in purgatory (1371)
The Bible teaches:
• The sacrifice of Jesus made purification for all sins for all time (Heb. 1:3, 7:27)
• Jesus obtained eternal redemption through His blood for all time (Heb. 9:12)
• Jesus put away sin with His one time sacrifice (Heb. 9:25-28)
• Jesus died once for all time (Heb. 10:10-12)
• Christians are to offer sacrifice of praise (Heb. 13:15)
• Jesus instructed to make disciples but did not mention sacrifice or mass (Matt. 28:19)
• The sacrifice of Jesus perfected Christians for all time (Heb. 10:14)
• Sacrifices are no longer necessary when sins are paid for by the blood of Jesus (Heb. 10:18)
Comment: The idea of a mass is contradictory to the doctrine that Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient for all time. Once again we see the doctrine stating that what Jesus has done wasn’t good enough. Masses (whether votive for souls in purgatory, requiem for funeral, nuptial for marriage) are a great source of income for the church.
Numbers in parenthesis above (1234) are section numbers in the Catholic Catechism.
By the way, I've read the Catholic Cathecism thru cover to cover and I've also read the "Documents of Vatican II".
So therefore I know exactly what the Roman Catholic Churches, probably better than most Catholics.
Pastor Art
2007-06-18 04:54:47
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answered by Anonymous
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PandoraSpider13 and others who will answer similarly:
Please check out this site. If you believe in the Bible, then you should believe in the Catholic Church.
2007-06-18 04:53:37
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answered by Vernacular Catholic 3
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I think nothing, but, I am baptised as Roman Catholic. Now, the thing to remember is no matter what you say, someone who is strong in their convictions is always going to think they are correct, and you are wrong. No matter what you say and think, you can never change someone's mind who's alrealdy made up. It doesn't go just for religious confirmations, but for anything. You can INSIST the Mariner's are the best baseball team (which they are..haha) and a million people will say different and try and convince you that you are wrong.
2007-06-18 04:43:46
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answered by needer7 2
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