Is Jesus a God or a King?

Question

It certainly comes up a lot but the more I study the bible the more I see a difference between God who is Jesus' father and Jesus, the son of God and the King of Earth.

This really begins to errode what I grew believing with the trinity doctrine.

For example:

Revalation Chapter 3:12

12 `He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

Many references Jesus makes to his God.

Revelation 3:14

14 "To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: The Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God, says this:

Here Jesus says he is the first of creation.

Anoter verse:

Revelation 1:4-6

4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood-- 6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father--to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Two separate people. God and Jesus the King.

Why does Jesus have to be a God? Simply to make the trinity doctrine true?
Why even have the trinity doctrine?

Where does it say that Jesus claimed to be God? I know the verse saying he and the father are one - that is not one in the same but of the same family/purpose/etc.

When he answered the charges he was agreeing saying I am what i claim to be, the king of the jews.

I see some verses but do they say Jesus is God? This one doesn't say it.

Hebrews 12:28-29
Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe ;
12:29
for our God is a consuming fire.

Another verse:

I see nothing that says Jesus claims to be God himself...

Hebrews 1:8
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. "

Looks like to me he is speaking about his God and Father.

Another - Jesus says he is the son of God, not God.

John 10:29
"My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
10:30
"I and the Father are one."
10:31
The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him.
10:32
Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?"
10:33
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
10:34
Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS '?
10:35
"If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot * be broken ),
10:36
do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God '?
10:37
"If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me;

I and the Father are one?

agreement 1, alike* 1, alone 3, common 1, detail 1, first 9, individual 2, individually* 1, lone 1, man 1, nothing* 1, one 282, one another 1, one man 2, one thing 5, one* 2, person 1, single 1, smallest 1, someone 2, thirty-nine* 1, unity 1

Sounds like they are one in purpose, in agreement, unity, etc. Doesn't tell me Jesus says he is God.

Says to me that he was from God but not God.

Sorry, not convinced yet.

Hmmm...

Mark 10:18
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good ? No one is good except God alone.

Luke 18:19
And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good ? No one is good except God alone.

If Jesus IS God why is he not also good?

God is not calling Jesus God.

Hebrew 1:8-9
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
1:9
"YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE * GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."

Plagarized... Sorry ;-)

Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation taken from Psalm 45:6, 7.
When this entire Psalm is considered, it is evident that the king
mentioned in verse 1 who has God's blessing is a different one
than God himself who does the anointing, as shown in verse seven.
However, it is mentioned in this same verse that God has anointed
this one with the oil of exultation more than his partners. If
the Son is the one addressed here as God, then who are the
partners that "God, _your_ God," anointed his King-son to excel in
his gladness?

At Hebrews 1:9, when many translations read "God,
your God, anointed you," clearly the one addressed in verse eight
is not God, but the one who worships God and the one who is anointed
by him.

Answer 1

Jesus is God....and King of our Universe.

Answer 2

Neither I, nor my religion believe in the Trinity. We do believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, but that they are all separate beings. There is evidence through out the Bible showing this (just as you have written). A great example is at Christ's baptism (I'm not sure if you already mentioned this). Here it states that Christ is on earth being baptised, God is up in Heaven, and the Holy Spirit descends in the form of a dove. I won't say that other christians are wrong, but just continue to look at the scriptural references you've already found and pray to your Father in Heaven (the GREATEST reference of all), he will not lead you astray.

Answer 3

These questions have been the source of debate among theologians throughout the ages. I personally believe Jesus is King of the Jews and also a part of the Holy Trinity or Godhead.

Answer 4

Because nothing is more clear than "I and My Father are One." John 10:30

Remember, Jesus is God in body and God the Father is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12:29

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous god.

Deut. 4:30
When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.

Answer 5

With all the information that you gave out along with your question, you should have been able to answer it for yourself. God is God, Jesus is God in the Man Flesh, and Jesus is the comforter in spirit. As Jesus stated: My Kingdom is not of this World.

Answer 6

I regret to say that I am only making the effort to answer one point you have made.
Your statement that in Rev.3:14 Jesus says he is “the first” of creation. This has to be challenged as incorrect. Most Bibles do not say this. The Greek word you have accepted as “the first of” is ARCHE. This word can be translated as: primacy, beginning, first in rank; power, dominion, office; rule; highest; origin, and top. Sound study of this word and how it is used in this context leads to the conclusion that it describes Jesus as the ruler of, originator of, the authority over - creation (The Apologists Bible Commentary).

Answer 7

You are starting to think--what my church did not want me to do either.

Here is some information I found in a book that explains ALL of Revelation in detail. Every verse is explained clearly.


God is a highly advanced and eternal being who uses the eternal laws of nature to do His work. His work is to bring about the eternal happiness of all those whom He creates. He has a body comparable to our human body that does not age or sicken, nor is otherwise corruptible. When Jesus Christ appeared to his disciples as a resurrected Being, he demonstrated the type of body an Eternal God has. His disciples testified of this mystery in the following scriptures:

Mark 16:19, Luke 24:51, John 20:17, Acts 1:9-11

Common sense would tell us that Christ is not sitting behind a cloud, nor is he on any planet in our solar system. He was transported to another planet in another solar system relatively close to our own, but far more progressed and advanced than ours. There, he waits the day of his return to the earth to usher in the last phase of our mortal existence, known as the Millennium.

Christ is not the creator of our spirits or solar system, but was created by our “Father” to be the overseer of our solar system; therefore he can be appropriately called our God—being One who acts as God would act. Each solar system has its own Anointed One—a Christ—who was prepared and put into authority by God to make sure the eternal laws are followed in all things in the small section of the Universe placed under his direction. He was appointed, or better, created by our Creator to serve us by teaching us the things we need to know and do to find happiness—which comes in the way we associate with each other.

The role of a Christ is to teach us how to treat each other so that we can live eternally in peace and happiness; in other words, so the use of our free will brings us happiness, and also happiness to those around us.

There is nothing mysterious to God, but only to man in his veiled infancy. His plan follows logic, reason, and all the natural laws to which we are all subject; and His understanding of these laws gives Him a power that we are only beginning to understand. Humans have the knowledge to create a nuclear weapon so powerful it can take the life of every living person. God has the knowledge and power to create a sun that gives lifeto every single organism upon this planet.

John’s message given in the book of Revelation and sealed from the knowledge of humankind until now, is an unveiling of this great mystery of God pertaining to our Universe and the eternal design of our happiness.

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Answer 8

It's confusing to me too because it would seem that God is the King and Jesus is the Prince. If Jesus were a prince then he couldn't be a king and vise versa. What does that make Father God if he is not a king? I say that Jesus is the Earthly negotiator and his father is the king who judges us and guides us after we die. Okay?

Answer 9

It is hard to grasp sometimes the fact that Jesus is fully human and fully God. Remember He was conceived of the Holy Spirit. Mary was not a God. She was human like you and me. It is almost the same but not quite, but best example I can give off the top of my head. Is two people of different backgrounds marry and have a child. That child is both parents child but at the same time he has traits of both father and mother.

Christ has been around since the beginning of time. In Genesis there is a reference that is not translated well but it means three. Elohi means three. pasted from International Study
Bible Encyclopedia.

1. 'Ĕlōhīm
The first form of the Divine name in the Bible is אלהים, 'Ĕlōhīm, ordinarily translated “God” (Gen_1:1). This is the most frequently used name in the Old Testament, as its equivalent θεός, theós, is in the New Testament, occurring in Gen alone approximately 200 t. It is one of a group of kindred words, to which belong also 'Ēl and 'Ĕlōaȟ. (1) Its form is plural, but the construction is uniformly singular, i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective, unless used of heathen divinities (Psa_96:5; Psa_97:7). It is characteristic of Hebrew that extension, magnitude and dignity, as well as actual multiplicity, are expressed by the plural. It is not reasonable, therefore, to assume that plurality of form indicates primitive Semitic polytheism. On the contrary, historic Hebrew is unquestionably and uniformly monotheistic.
(2) The derivation is quite uncertain. Gesenius, Ewald and others find its origin in אוּל, 'ūl, “to be strong,” from which also are derived ayil, “ram,” and 'ēlāh, “terebinth”; it is then an expanded plural form of 'ēl; others trace it to אלהּ, 'ālah, “to terrify,” and the singular form is found in the infrequent אלוהּ, 'ĕlōah, which occurs chiefly in poetical books; BDB inclines to the derivation from אלה, 'ālāh, “to be strong,” as the root of the three forms, 'Ēl, 'Ĕlōah and 'Ĕlōhīm, although admitting that the whole question is involved in uncertainty (for full statement see BDB, under the word אלה; a somewhat fanciful suggestion is the Arabic root 'ūl, “to be in front,” from which comes the meaning “leader”; and still more fanciful is the suggested connection with the preposition ל), 'el, signifying God as the “goal” of man's life and aspiration. The origin must always lie in doubt, since the derivation is prehistoric, and the name, with its kindred words 'Ēl and 'Ĕlōah, is common to Semitic languages and religions and beyond the range of Hebrew records.
(3) It is the reasonable conclusion that the meaning is “might” or “power”; that it is common to Semitic language; that the form is plural to express majesty or “all-mightiness,” and that it is a generic, rather than a specific personal, name for Deity, as is indicated by its application to those who represent the Deity (Jdg_5:8; Psa_82:1) or who are in His presence (1Sa_28:13).

Christ as creation pasted from International Study
Bible Encyclopedia.

4. Christ in Creation
The self-determined action of the Divine Will, then, is to be taken as the ultimate principle of the cosmos. Not to any causal or meta-physical necessity, but to Divine or Absolute Personality, must the created world be referred. “Of him, and through him, and unto him, are all things” (Rom_11:36). This creative action of God is mediated by Christ - by whom “were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him” (Col_1:16). See CREATION.

Answer 10

Hello and lets first get to understand who Jesus really is, in Hebrews 1:5-9 The Father Himself address Jesus as God, and In Heb.13:8 we read Jesus has always been through out all of time past and to come, in John 1 we read Jesus was the active member of The Godhead that created this world, but when mankind sinned He Jesus told Adam and Eve in Gen.3:15 that someday He would come and destroy sin and satan, in Isaiah 53 [Isa 53:2] we understand God became a man [see John 1] when Jesus put aside His divine body and became like unto us The Father became His God and Father but in Isaiah 9:6 we read the prophecy that points to Christ but do you notice the words, Mighty God, everlasting FATHER, hay Jesus is God, but the Son of God too, find out more free bible lessons and if you will email me not messenger i will give you the address as Yahoo Answers is getting in the way of me giving you this info. here, God bless

Answer 11

Your citation of Revelation 3;14...the beginning of the creation by God [ who is Jesus] is confirmed by Proverbs 8; 22-31.
Right through the Book of John, Jesus constantly stresses he is separate from his Father. That he was SENT. That all worship should go TO his Father.
Jesus state that no one is the equal to his Father. As such it makes a lie out of the Trinity doctrine.