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Has anyone really reseached this, and found if this is true? I have even heard it is in the bi-laws or the Baptist church, that Christmas should not be celebrated, and that it should never be found inside the church.

2007-06-17 18:06:40 · 18 answers · asked by teddle 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Absolutely. Go to the online catholic encyclopedia, and look up "inculturation"....... The catholic church does not deny instituting them, nor does it deny that they were originally of pagan origin.

They admit to "adopting" them and then "sanctifying" them, which man cannot do, as only God can sanctify anything.

Easter, for instance comes originally from truly ancient origin, originating from Nimrod, his wife Semiramis, and their son Tammuz. Semiramis is worshipped in many places, under many names, which usually change by geography. She was called "the goddess of fertility", and some of the names include Ishtar, Eoster, Astarte, and yes Easter, among others. Another name, used directly in scripture, is "the Queen of Heaven".

She claimed to have fallen from heaven in a brightly colored egg (IE claimed divine origin). Highly reproductive animals such as bunny rabbits were used in the worship of her, as a sign of fertility...... Do I need to go on?

Nimrod (Some other names are Molech and Baal), Semiramis, and their son Tammuz, were all set up as Gods in Sun worship. Nimrod as the Sun, Semiramis already described, and Tammuz as well. Tammuz was killed. Because of this, worshippers weeped for his death, baking cakes in his honor to his mother, the "queen of heaven". History shows them to have been cakes with an X cut in them. On Easter, they still make these cakes, and call them "hot crossed buns".

Yes, even to this day do people still bake cakes to the queen of heaven, and weep for Tammuz.

This is EVIL....

Another?

Did you know the word "Yule" is of Chaldean origin, and means "infant or small child"? Think about this the next time you hear of a Yule-log on the fire.

Eze 16:20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
Eze 16:21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.
Jer 7:19 Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces?
Jer 7:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.

Do you really think god likes these things people?

How about the Christmas tree?
Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

It is recorded in scripture alright, as a Pagan custom......

OJer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: ut of this section of verse, comes an interesting point on Gods desires.

God is not going to view as "made holy" (sanctified), those things he has already bluntly stated we are not to do. "Inculteration", is one of the things we are not to do, as anyone can plainly see.

Some good books for you to read, if you desire some serious research:

Babylon: The Mystery Religion
The Two Babylons - Alexander Hislop
Come Out of Her My People
The Bible

Paul

2007-06-17 20:47:28 · answer #1 · answered by pauldude000 3 · 1 0

The specific times of the year that these special days are celebrated may possibly be based on the times of the year that other "pagan" festivals were celebrated.

I doubt if many Christians today would make the claim that December 25th is the actually date that Jesus was born or that so many weeks after a specific Jewish holiday is celebrated was the exact date or day of the crucifixion etc. These are simply days that man and many churches have set aside in the yearly calendar to celebrate them. It should not be the date...but the meaning that takes precedence in our hearts. I have also heard that some churches refuse to celebrate Christmas (from a date standpoint) because it stems from a pagan holiday etc...but I am not certain as to which church that would be. This is merely another example of how man has messed up his relationship with God through organized religion. My quote for the night is:

"Religion without a personal relationship with God has no value"

2007-06-17 18:22:49 · answer #2 · answered by Poohcat1 7 · 1 0

Christmas (Jesus birth), Easter (Jesus death and passions) are Christian because relate to facts from Jesus life.

The dates though these ceremonies are celebrated coincide with pagan ceremonies that celebrated facts related either to nature or to the old pagan Gods and coincided with winter heliostasion=solstice.
For example during Easter pagans celebrated nature's death and renaissance (it is Spring and nature starts giving grapes). On the 25th of December it used to be celebrated God Helios (Sun) birth so it coincides with Jesus birth.

In the pagan ceremonies everything was symbolic and related to nature, there is a whole philosophy behind this.

For what concerns the exact dates these facts should be celebrated pay attention that there are 2 calendars the old and the new (20th century) which have a difference of about 13 days. Othere churches follow the old calendar and others the new that is why you may find separate celebrations (25/12 or 7/1) on the same fact for example Christmas.

2007-06-17 18:25:45 · answer #3 · answered by elmamelenia 3 · 0 0

Its all in the approach. If you glorify Christ on Christmas and give Yuletide greetings and praise to the Lord then Christmas is a Christian Holiday. If you use Christmas to celebrate Kwanzaa or Cinco de Mayo then obviously you have not got it. More importantly - The Holy Bible, read it, read it every day of the year. And the Blessings will come and share the Bible to all and keep walking in the Faith! Use the same rule of Love when it comes to Easter. The Lord's Prayer is a great place to start.

2007-06-17 18:21:38 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

These are all celebrations that we have inherited from the Catholic CHurch... Even though the Lord has come a long way to recovering the truths in the word and revealed so much over the centuries regarding the revelation in the bible.. these basic celebrations are hard to shake off...
For many christians they actually believe that our Lord was born on Christmas day ...this celebration has everything to do with Nimrod and Simaramis...
Easter was also a pagan celebration ..Easter was not something celebrated by the early church.. as was christmas or good friday etc

The Lord admonished us to do one thing.. To break the bread and drink the wine as a symbol to remember Him until He comes back... we remember His incarnation.. Human living..His death.. Resurrection.. Ascension.. Enthronement.. Glorification each week when we meet to break the Bread.. and drink the wine at the Lord's table and Supper...Not just once a year during these pagan celebrations...

He did not ask us to celebrate Christmas or put up trees or hide easter eggs to remember Him...but for so many of us it will mean a real dying to the self and what we " like" to give up this kind of pagan celebration.. since we love them so much.. ask some christian brothers and sisters to stop christmas and to them its unthinkable..

The believers in Christ and their involvement in these things truly grieves the Lord I believe.

May the Lord strengthen many more to make a stand against mixture of this kind... we as believers are the Bride of Christ... without spot or blemish... making herself ready for her Bridegroom's return...
May we be freed from all these distracting things to simply look away unto Jesus our Bridegroom .. the Author and Finisher of our Faith.

2007-06-17 18:25:42 · answer #5 · answered by Broken Alabaster Flask 6 · 0 0

Here is my opinion and it is solely based on what I have heard and how I feel. I have heard that no one really knows what day Jesus was born on and that Christmas should not be celebrated as Christ's birth. For my family Christmas is about togetherness, Santa Claus, and giving each other gifts. It is a time to decorate your house and just have a wonderful time with family and friends.

I have looked Easter up before and it is of evil root. There again we put no religious tag on this holiday at our house either. It is a time to color and hunt eggs, and wait for that silly rabbit to leave some candy!!! The same goes with Halloween. It is a time to dress up and get as much sweets as possible.

2007-06-17 18:24:07 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I've read that the pope in power at the time decided to make Christmas fall on Dec. 25 because the people needed something to cheer them up during that time of year. Weather was gloomy, food was scarce, etc. It is a completely artificial date.

The christians were not the first people to have a meaningful religion and customs. The Sumerians, 5000BC, had 10 "laws" that were very similar to the ten commandments. They were written by King Hamarabi and carved into stone.This was 3000 years before christ.

All the christian stuff is just re-hashed history from the people who came before them.

2007-06-17 18:22:08 · answer #7 · answered by SimonSays 4 · 0 0

Thats right, Christmas is just a pagan holiday that has been christianized. The Pagans celebrated the winter solstice at that time. Jesus pbuh was really born around september. If Jesus pbuh really wanted people to celebrate his birthday he would have said so but he did not. and easter is just the pagan spring equinox. Have you ever thought what the bunny and the egg would have to do with Jesus pbuh? Nothing thats what. Bunnies and eggs are signs of fertility. because the pagans believed life was more fertile around spring time.

2007-06-17 18:27:49 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Before Christianity was legalized, there was one feastday and celebration, Sunday, the weekly commemoraton of the Risen Lord. Persecution made it difficult to celebrate much of anything else.

In the Fourth Century, the Church decided to reclaim some of its Jewish roots by scheduling an annual commemoration of the death and resurrection of Christ near the time of the Jewish Passover. This was also a time when pagans celebrated Spring fertility rites. In most countries the feastday is called "Paska" or "Pasch", referring to "Pesach" or "Passover". But in English speaking countries, it is called "Easter", a word that comes from the name of a goddess of Spring, Eostre. Some denominations who are squeamish about acknowledging the cultural adaptation refer to it as "Resurrection Sunday".

"Christmas" came about similarly. An old Roman festival, called "Sol Invictus" (Unconquerable Sun) was held annually to mark the return of the sun to Northern skies. This solstice feast was very popular and the Church felt it necessary to compete. So they proclaimed a feast of the Nativity of Christ. In subsequent history, its observance has varied considerably. At times, some Protestant denominations have condemned it as a "papist" abomination, but the alternative, nothing, has not proven popular.

The Feasts of All Saints and All Souls, both commemorations of the faithful departed, were intended to counter Samhain, the night when the barrier between the worlds of the living and of the dead was supposedly at its weakest. And Imbolc, a pagan mid-winter celebration, was covered by the Feast of the Presentation of the Child Jesus in the Temple.

The only purely Christian feasts were the martyrial days of the various saints. But its hard to compete with faiths that have a regular cycle of parties. The Church created celebrations to coincide with their competitors, but did not adopt the competing theology. The celebrations were of Christian events and ideas, intending to teach non-believers proper reasons for celebrating.

A brief examination of the great Jewish holy days, Passover, Shavuot and Sukkot, show underlying agricultural roots, much like many other religions. But the overlying theology transformed the meaning of the observance.

Very few celebrations are technically "pure" to the suspicious eye. And sometimes foreign symbols tag along and have to be reinterpreted. (Easter egg as symbol of annual rebirth becomes symbol of resurrection.) But what is celebrated is Christian. The birth of Christ and the resurrection of Christ were Biblical events, but no calendar was included in the New Testament.

So you get to decide whether it's okay to celebrate Christian "holy days" or to avoid the possibility of "contamination" and keep your calendar clear.

2007-06-17 19:24:31 · answer #9 · answered by skepsis 7 · 0 0

Yes I do beleive most of our holidays are based on pagan religions and customs.It was a ploy to pacify the people and give them(christains) their own celebrations days.But if you read the Bible there are days and feasts to celebrate you may be doing them by yourself,as no one agrees with them in the modern age.I don't know where you heard that about the Baptists as far as I know they do celebrate christmas and in many different ways.

2007-06-17 18:27:22 · answer #10 · answered by peppersham 7 · 0 0

Easter in the(( Death warrent of Jesus Christ)) he was nail to the cross march 27 day .The Jews went by the noon so pass over come on other day each years Jesus was the Pass over Lamb . We count it up it had be in Dec. or July if it been in July sheep be in the mountain. U find the death warrent of Jesus Christ on yahoo search

2007-06-17 18:29:07 · answer #11 · answered by rnd1938 3 · 0 0

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