If god and jesus are one... Who was Jesus talking to on the cross?

Question

when he was asking for forgiveness for the romans... What's all the "In the name of the father (AND) the son...

Answer 1

The Trinity is a Christian invention. If I remember right this concept was instituted around 300 A.D. at one of the Nicene Councils - at the very same time that it was also invented that Jesus was divine instead of wholly human.

Neither concept is found in Judaism, never has been. So the Church didn't take these ideas from there.

The reasons for why the Church decided to invent these concepts for their religion is something that everyone should educate themselves about.

Most Christians have no idea that in Judaism the Messiah is (and always has been) wholly human, born of a married Jewish couple in the usual way, not to be worshipped as a god or as God (Idolatry supreme there!), he rules as King of Israel, has sons to whom he leaves an inheritance, etc.

It is GOD who brings about the miracles while this Messiah is ruling from his Throne, the Messiah himself, being wholly human, does not do miracles - in fact this is one of the signs God gave the Jews on Mt. Sinai to BEWARE of claimants to the title "Messiah", there is to be no persuasion by miracles whatsoever, but only by the fulfillment of the Prophecies will the Jews judge that a man is the Messiah.

Jesus did not fulfill them - where is no more war, no more illness, no more hatred, where is Universal Knowledge of God that no man ever needs to teach another, where is the Third Temple (the 2nd was still standing during the time Jesus supposedly lived), where is the ingathering of all the Jews from the 4 corners of the world - more than half the Jews still live OUTSIDE Israel today, etc. etc. etc.

These are the actual prophecies, plus a few more, totalling about 16 altogether, not the hundreds that the Christians have back-engineered into the text that do not exist.

There is no "Second Coming" in Judaism, never has been. The Messiah does the job right the first time, and he is NOT killed as a pagan virgin human blood sacrifice for sin - this idea is Idolatry and a complete abomination and comes from ancient pagan religions NOT Judaism which has never had this.

There have been literally thousands and thousands of men who have laid claim to being the Messiah over the ages, and the Jews judge each and every claim with the very strict criteria that GOD HIMSELF gave on Mt. Sinai, and they have never wavered from those criteria. ALL of these claimants failed, including Jesus.

So, to answer your question about who Jesus was talking to on the cross - obviously reading the text, it is plain that Jesus isn't talking to himself, he is talking to "his father".

This makes a HUGE problem. If Jesus was divine, then God was killed on the cross. But God cannot be killed, as far as anyone knows.

If, on the other hand, the Christians say that his divinity LEFT HIM at the moment of his death, THEN what you are left with is nothing more than a HUMAN virgin blood sacrifice, which is an abomination and total idolatry.

Can't have it both ways, either he was divine when he died in which case God was killed, or he was human when he died in which case we've got nothing more than a pagan human blood sacrifice and total idolatry.

This is something that I've pointed out to missionaries (who just love trying to convert us Jews into their idolatry), and none of them have been able to put this together and come up with any kind of answer.

Answer 2

In Christian mythology, God is made up of the father, son and Holy spirit. So Jesus would have been talking to the father.

Answer 3

Two separate entities... Jesus never claimed to be God.

The Trinity is a false doctrine that the Catholic Church established by fusing an old Babylonian concept with tradition.

Nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that God and Jesus are the same person (those who say otherwise obviously don't know how to use context clues).

Answer 4

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit....They are 3 persons, but equal with ONE purpose. The triune God. Jesus was talking to God. There's no flaw here. Only flaw there is in God's Word is the lack of spiritual understanding from those reading it.

Answer 5

God is a Trinity- Father, Son and Spirit. Jesus, fully man and fully God the Son, was speaking to God the Father.

Answer 6

It's all about the concept of the holy trinity, something that theologians have yakked on about at great length for hundreds of years.
So you won't get much of worth here, except maybe lengthy pastings.

Answer 7

Jesus was created the almighty has always been here, these are the scriptures to prove it.


(Colossians 1:15-17) . . .5 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist,

(Revelation 3:14) 14 “And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce´a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

(Acts 7:55) 55 But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand,

(Revelation 1:1) 1 A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John,

(Revelation 7:10) 10 And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Answer 8

There are 3 distinct,eternal and equal persons in God( if God is eternal love then He has to be more than one person) but absolutely one divine being,divine substance,divine nature,divine reality and divine essence. Jesus is one person but 2 natures,etc:eternally and fully divine( and since His virginal human conception)fully and trully human like us in all things but sin.
Jesus,fully experiencing His humanity, was talking to the Father. In the name of the Father,Son and Spirit is in Matt28:19 and that formula is needed for a real and valid baptism with water..

Answer 9

I am not sure you really want an answer but I will give you one.


Christ is the word of God. As that when God speaks it lives. As your words are you Christ is God. The word was placed in the womb of a woman that a perfect man might be born to fulfill the bond price of sin. God can not enter his creation anymore than a programmer can enter his program so likewise God inserts himself as his living word. The word is of God and is part of God but not God. Christ is the only begotten son. He was speaking to the Father.

Answer 10

Sounds like you have already decided from your truth. Try reading for understanding and applying Gods truth.