Athiests, Jewish, Muslims, & all-If we say that adultery, murder, telling a lie isnt a sin-can Jesus save us?

Question

When we make up our own rules-say like that Jesus never existed -which is the biggest joke ever said-with more evidence of his life and death and resurrection with over 500 witnesses recorded in the book of Acts.

more evidence that Jesus did come to the earth, than anyone else that ever lived

yet say if we say -I reject Jesus, I reject that he died as promised for my sins, in fact I dont even believe anything is wrong with lying and murdering and being unfaithful to your husband/wife

does that mean there is nothing wrong with sinning?

will you still be saved in the last day when as Jesus says Every knee will bow to him at the judgement seat.

If you say you dont know what happens after death-or that you know nothing will happen after you pass on-Why would Jesus lie about this and talk about the joy of heaven in salvation and describe heaven and hell too in Revelation 19-22nd chapter.

why did Jesus offer to come into our heart door to SAVE us Revelation 1:1 3:19&20

Answer 1

Welcome back....

As usual I agree with you always

Jesus rules!

Answer 2

You mean to tell me that there are no non-Christian cultures out there who have laws regulating adultery, murder, or lying?

The Roman Empire, the Aztecs, the Mayans, the Persian Empire, China, Egyptian Empire, the Soviet Union, the Ottomen Empire, the Muslim Empire, India, the Mongols,and many others had laws specifically against adultery and murder.

So why would we need Jesus Christ to lay down these rules for us?

As far as lying, that is not a Christian edict. The ten commandments only cover against false testimony, which a form of a lie, but does not cover all lies in general.

And I question about your statement about there being more evidence about Jesus being on earth than any other person. Just about anyone else in the in the US, and most other countries, has been has been photographed more, had more documentation about being born, schooling, work experience, and in many cases, dying, and wrote more personal letters and email than Christ.ever did.

And if Christ did come to save us, why did he choose you? I still can't distinguish between someone claiming god speaks through him and someone who is self-delusional.

Rob

Answer 3

Why do Christians have this STUPID theory that if the rest of the world does not believe in Jesus, they are of no morals?

What a crock of crap.

Christians are NOT the most moral people in the world. Christians don't have the only path to morality. The way you are talking, Christians are the only moral people on the planet.

It is this ONE THOUGHT ALONE that makes Christian people AMORAL - without morals.

Christians, the truth hurts, but here it is. Until you all stop thinking that anyone who is not a Christian is an evil person, you will not be respected by those people you wish to save.

OF COURSE lying, murdering, and being an unfaithful spouse are not things that are moral. NEWSFLASH: Most of us non-Christians agree with you there.

I have met more Christians who lie, cheat, steal, and cheat on their spouses than I have non-Christians. That's a fact, brotha.

If you think you have the Christian right to be a judgemental, arrogant, "saved" person, so be it. Just don't expect the rest of the world to believe you are moral. Judgementalness and arrogance are NOT MORAL. And that is the biggest sin Christians commit - believing they have the right to be superiour to anyone else on the planet.

If following your Jesus means thinking and talking to others like you do, I PASS. I left Christianity because of Christ's followers and your post and all the posts like yours are PROOF POSITIVE that I am right.

Answer 4

Whoa! Hold on a second cowboy! Only the truly ignorant say that Jesus never existed. The question is not whether he was, or not, the question is about him being the Messiah. So, no, Jesus cannot save you if you don't believe in him being the Messiah. As far as the 500 witnesses go, were you there? Were you one of them? No. All you can do is base your faith on a book that was written thousands of years ago. If you would like to know the true history of your bible, let me know, I've done extensive research on it. Yes, there is wrong in sinning, but there aren't as many sins as Christians would have you believe. Hell, in the Catholic religion, just the thought of the deed is sinning in itself. As far as Jesus saving, that is what your faith is all about.

Answer 5

Slippery-slope fallacy. Just because I don't accept, with 100% certainty, that Jesus existed, and I reject out of hand any possibility that God exists, as well as the concept of "sin", does not mean that I am amoral.

Jesus, if he existed, said a lot of things that I know to be false, as did Jim Jones and Dave Koresh. He was a cult leader, nothing more. Why would Jesus lie? Oh, I don't know...for power and recognition maybe? Because he was delusional and had spent too much time around "Holy Men" as a kid? Because he was illigitimate and a big story had been concocted concerning his birth? Who knows? If you take what the Bible says about him at face value, he wasn't a particularly nice guy and his entire message is suspect.

My advice to you: do some research and study the Bible within the context of the time in which it was written. Also do some research on cults. The similarities leap right out at you. You might find that the Bible has nothing to do with God, and everything to do with money, power, and control.

Answer 6

the bible says not to be perfect but to body ourselves after jesus.

If you ask for forgiveness and do the same sin again then jesus cannot save you. I mean there are people who say they are christian but yet they are racist and they do things that christians should not do. The bad christians should go to hell, the atheist should remain a ghost, the good christians belong in heaven. I mean yes it is wrong to sin. But if you ask for forgiveness and commit the sin again, WHATS THE POINT. Jesus cannot save you if you do such a thing like that. Not everyone is going to heaven IN FACT most people are not going to heaven, some might. Heaven is there and so is hell. But lets just make an example,

100 people died,

out of those 100 about 25 will go to heaven, the other 25 will reside as ghosts and 50 will go to hell. Most humans these days do not know what they are doing, sex before marriage, most 13 year olds in my old school had sex. I mean the people in this world that are good hearted are the ones that get mistreated and they get rewarded with eternity in heaven. Most people in this world are corrupt, the people who cheat, steal, kill, and commit crimes are the ones that get looked upon. Such as rappers, how they speak about selling drugs, now lets compare, the teens will look more upon the rapper as a rolemodel as compared to lets say a priest. The society is declining from god as we speak. Jesus needs to send the society a message telling them what they are doing is wrong. I mean in high school there are more kids taking drugs, killing and having sex (before marriage), there has to be a message sent by god telling those teens to improve their act and not commit those types of crimes. I mean if you have commited a sin for the first time, jesus will forgive you, but lets say you commit a sin 4 times, will jesus forgive you then? no he wouldn't until you get rid of that habit. If you right arm causes you to sin, cut it off.

The problem is that most kids these days are declining god and jesus because of entertainment. I bet there is a girl who is a satanist just because maryln manson is a satanist. The celeberties these days have become bad rolemodels, like beyonce, she says on her songs for girls to have sex at an early age. Now that is what will cause a girl to sin. Something has to be done by god to stop the sinning that is happening in the world and let everyone know that they are not living the right lifestyle.

Answer 7

Non-Christians have no concept of "sin"--that's a Christian construct. We can say we think stuff is good or bad.

And Jesus probably never even existed. And if he did, he was just an ordinary guy who had the crap embellished out of his life.

"It is almost universally agreed that the author of Acts also wrote the Gospel of Luke. The traditional view is that both the two books were written c. 60 by a companion of Paul named Luke — a view which is still held by some scholars, though some view the books as having been written by an unknown author at a later date, sometime between 70 and 100."

Are you high? No one lived that long in those days--you think those are eyewitness accounts? You've been duped, man. You're the guys making s.hit up--coming back from the dead, walking on water? Come on, I wasn't born yesterday.

"more evidence that Jesus did come to the earth, than anyone else that ever lived"

A flat-out LIE.

We have a concept of right and wrong without your stupid book of superstitions. We don't care what is and isn't a "sin," because our common humanity gives us a base for morality, as a social species.

Saved? What "last day?" Can you prove Jesus said that? More stuff you Christians just made up.

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I don't believe Jesus ever existed because there is no contemporary evidence of his existence (that is, nothing about him recorded during his alleged life)--the 'soonest' evidence we have is from Saul of Tarsus, who wrote about Jesus at LEAST 40 years after his alleged death.

Not only that, but Saul writes with NO knowledge of most of the alleged events of Jesus's life that are mentioned in the Gospels (which came long after Saul's writings (about 80,000 words), keep in mind). He mentions only the last bits about Jesus--him being crucified and rising up to heaven. However, Saul makes it quite clear that he is not talking about an earthly Jesus, but a mythical one, and places the crucifixion etc. in a mythical realm, not earth. The closest he comes to mentioning a Jesus who 'walked among us' is when he mentions that (paraphrasing, bear with me) 'if Jesus lived on earth, he would not be a priest' or something like that.

Yup--that is how shaky the foundation is. Saul's account is the strongest (because his account comes long before any other) link between Jesus's alleged life and the gospels which go into great detail about it. It's the strongest much in the same way that molten lead is the most refreshing drink to be found on Venus.

So basically, we got Saul's stuff, which strongly clashes with the gospels it preceded, and then we've got nothing for at least a few more decades after that (next account is the Gospel of Mark (which is attributed to Mark but is actually an anonymous work; further supporting this is the fact that there is a consensus that this gospel was written in the 60s or 70s CE--there's no way someone alive during Jesus's alleged life would still be alive in those times). Then suddenly we have all kinds of details about Jesus's life that just seem to pop up out of nowhere. Anyone looking at this objectively would quickly come to the very fair conclusion that the writers of the gospels were 'storytelling' as opposed to recording history when they wrote them. Their goal was to convert people, not to document history, which is why they were writing _gospels_ in the first place.

Now, taking all of that into consideration...is it any wonder that, when taking everything into consideration, one would be quite skeptical of the earthly existence of Jesus Christ as the Bible describes him (it's not that he COULDN'T have existed, but when you take a step back and look at everything, it surely seems QUITE unlikely, wouldn't you agree)?

P.S. Theologians generally agree that the other three gospels in the Bible are clearly derived from Mark, which is why I didn't mention them specifically.

Answer 8

Some people have set within their own minds that nothing they do is wrong. If it suits a purpose in fulfilling their own desires they will do it. Opinion means absolutely nothing in regards to reality. A great many people don't want to believe that there is a difference between right and wrong. That's scary. This is saying that if I were to see a man standing in line, I could go take his money. Right? Who says its wrong? I don't so therefor it isn't. If he chases me out to the parking lot, pulls out a gun and blows a hole in my back, then who says that's wrong? He doesn't have to think so. This is whats wrong with people. We see horrible things happen all the time as a result of this "thinking" And its getting worse. No one thinks anything is wrong. This is why he really hates religion. If man continues to profess the lies of evolution, secularism, humanism, etc (I'm just an animal, there is no right or wrong). He has only himself to blame. We are now truly beginning to reap what we sow.

Answer 9

First of all: There is NO evidence that jesus existed, outsideof the bible.

Not being a member of your religion does not mean that I think it's okay to steal, kill or cheat on my wife. Where do you get that?

Rejecting the false concept of sin does not mean rejecting human ethics.

The rest of what you wrote is tripe.

Answer 10

"Sin" is a religious concept. Without it, you have to return to humanistic morals. As in "do no harm to anyone else". Quite a simple rule, or not? Earth would be paradise if everyone just stuck to this rule.

This of course means that you can send all religions packing with their set of self-righteous and hypocritical rules.

Regarding jesus, the last days, afterlife and all that: Sorry but I have to tell you that this is all crap. With death, we will decompose and vanish. Any notions of resurrection are wishful thinking in its purest form. Don't talk to us like to little children. Fairy tales just don't do it any more.

Sorry for this harsh answer but since you explicitly addressed atheists you will have braced yourself for other opinions.

Answer 11

There is a difference between believing that something is a "sin" and believing that it is wrong. Sin is a made-up concept. Sin is the term for an action deemed inappropriate by god, and by choosing these actions you willingly separate yourself from god. Considering that there is no god, there can be no sin.

Murder is not wrong because it separates you from god. Murder is wrong because it involves maliciously taking another person's life away from them to suit your own purposes.

The same thing goes for lying and adultery. They aren't wrong because they separate us from god. They are wrong because of the devastating effects they have in the lives of other people. We shouldn't refrain from these things because a deity who has been missing in action for 2000 years says that it is bad. We should refrain from them out of a respect for other people.