Are atheists anti-science?

Question

Atheists claim that their beliefs are based on science, but it seems they simply pick and choose whatever science suits them, and reject any science that doesn‘t agree with them. For example; regarding the origins of the universe and of life, they routinely reject the natural laws of; ‘Probability’; ‘Cause and Effect’; ‘Biogenesis’; ‘Information Theory’, ‘Thermodynamics’. they either ignore these laws altogether or, if challenged, say that these natural laws are not universal or, that for some reason, they don’t apply to the particular circumstances of their beliefs. If your beliefs cause you to reject or manipulate FUNDAMENTAL LAWS of science, then surely those beliefs have to be regarded as unscientific nonsense, and those who promote them as anti-science.

eri - - - Oh gosh! you say you are a physicist, I think you have been brainwashed in the academy for atheism. With physicists like you, it is no wonder that there has been a serious decline in scientific integrity.
Nothing you say is correct, these laws cannot just be dismissed as irrelevant to your atheist beliefs, in fact they make everything you believe in impossible,I will just give you one example from information theory:
This rules out a naturalistic origin of life.

THEOREM 27: Any model for the origin of life (and of information) based solely on physical and/or chemical processes, is inherently false.

THEOREM 28: There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to arise by itself in matter.

You are wrong!
1st law of Thermodynamics says matter cannot be created or destroyed, but the law of cause and effect says it must have had a cause. As an infinite chain of causes is not possible there must have been a single, original cause, which was not subject to the law of cause and effect. This must have been non-material in nature (i.e. Supernatural) and as the first cause was the Creator not only of matter, but also Creator of the laws (such as the 1st law of Themodynamics) which govern matter.

We also know that the energy potential of the universe is running down from a peak which existed at the beginning of the universe. So the universe definitely had a beginning.

Stephen P - - -Typical atheist response, no good argument so you resort to abuse. I am afraid the atheists on here are the pseudo-scientists, (no doubt you included) they are willing to twist and manipulate science whenever it suits them. They do a disservice to those honorable scientists who believe that science should be used objectively as a tool to search for truth, regardless of anyone's cherished beliefs. The trouble with atheists is that when the verdict of science is against them, the truth hurts.

budding author - - - So the only thing you are certain of is that God doesn't exist!!!
What do you base this certainty on? Nothing, it seems.
I have never heard of such a ludicrous ideology. At least the Darwinists make some attempt to come up with an alternative (albeit a not very credible one). Your attitude just leaves me stunned. I am afraid you make atheism look even more ridiculous and illogical. I wonder how many others there are like you?

davidifyouknowme - - - My assertions are certainly not unsupported. There is not the space here to demonstrate their validity, but a little proper (unbiased )research on your part will prove this to you. Just treat the subject with an open mind, instead of swallowing atheist pseudo-science, hook, line and sinker.

giggly nurse - - - May I suggest you read 'The Dawkins Delusion' which debunks 'The God Delusion' and exposes the errors, flaws and illogicality of Dawkins book.

Answer 1

True.

In science, engineering, we have to look at all questions objectively. The most common issue I use for pre-conceived notions when I teach is Santa Clause.

Santa Clause is a person with a beard who dresses up in a red suit and hands out presents at Christmas.

If I ask a class full of people if they believe Santa Clause exists I get few who believe.

Then I point out that every Christmas thousand of people dress up in red suits and beards to hand out presents. If we know for a fact that some of the story is true can we say the story is false?

This will change the perspective of any reasonably open minded person. The closed minded morons usually just roll their eyes and continue hiding inside their tiny little minds.

PS: Thermodynamics: You can neither add energy nor subtract energy from a closed system. Since the Universe does exist it must therefore be an open system or no energy, mass, could exist.

Both the Big Bang theory and creation start with a Miracle. First Mass is created then......

Answer 2

As an atheist and a logical person, this is probably the funniest question I have read to date on YA.

There are no 'natural laws' of probability, cause and effect or information theory. The first two are conceptual abstracts and the last is a pseudo-mathematical bent.

I'd love to hear the 'fundamental laws' of science that justify religious belief, but I have a rather strong hunch that you'll start parrotting the same logically falacious bollocks the other creationists have been frothing about for the last few decades.

Answer 3

You abuse the rules of argument when you make an unsupported assertion, treat that as a truth and then build your case from there.

Your premise is flawed and even your reasoning from there is flawed. This is why I said in answer to one of your previous questions that I did not think that you would understand my answer.

You may convince yourself, you may convince other believers, but I think that you have little chance of wining an argument with most people with some sense, and absolutely no chance of winning an argument with a scientist.
(I am neither, by the way)

You will only experience frustration. You are really starting from the conviction that your faith is a truth and then you seek a argument to support it. You are mistaken and doomed to fail.

However, if it makes you happy.....

Answer 4

The answer to your question is no. Science supports the rational worldview. None of the thingsyou have mentioned do anything to prove a supernatural creation of the universe, in fact they point in the opposite direction.

Since time is infinite and matter cannot be created or destroyed, there cannot be a begining of time, nor can there be a "creation." The universe is an has always been.

Answer 5

All atheists are not anti-science. I can't explain too well, but I will recommend that you read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins.

My own personal belief is that being an atheist, if you feel you believe in something particular, then whats so wrong about it? Atheists are obviously not all gonna believe in the same thing.

Answer 6

its funny cause that's what Christan's do too. pick and choose what suits them. i believe science is the key and we haven't found all the answers yet so many questions and new ones are always being asked and some are finally been answered. to me the bible is b0110cks the dinosaurs have ruled that out. you can't deni them can yeah the world is to believed to be oh something like 80million years old if i right in remembering the bible thinks its a lot younger then that. mmmm well you hold a lot of anger and hate so sad and its all about what you believe and your religion is that what religion does to people? drive you in to feeling anger and hate and looking down at other peoples beliefs? from your behaviour its like your not so sure what you believe. . . . . . . . rather then lashing out and making rude comments about other peoples beliefs why don't you learn to mellow out and respect them rather then mocking them you seem to forget your faith has a lot of faults too!

Answer 7

Are you sure?

It's poor to generalize in this way. Do you personally know every single Atheist? If not then don't generalize. All people pick and choose and no one knows everything. Did it occur to you that these people don't actually know everything to pick and choose from?

I personally am a scientist in many ways but remember not everyone who says they have no religion is Atheist. Most of them simply cannot find a satisfactory explanation. And to be frank even if there is one we wouldn't understand it anyway, hence the necessity of BELIEF!

Answer 8

Fine sounding question, the only bit I really got out of it was (that for some unknown reason) you have the idea that because I am atheist, I must believe in science?
Why?
Being an atheist means I don't believe in God, or any religion that worships God.
Simple as that really!!!
I don't feel any need to have to believe in any alternative, I don't feel any need to believe in Darwin's theory, it is after all just a theory. But it certainly makes a lot more sense than any religion I can bring to mind.
Some atheists may well believe that Darwin was correct, I personally just don't know, all I do know with absolute certainty is that there is no God, I don't mean maybe there is no God, I mean there is no God!!!
Now you can bundle all us atheists up and generalise as much as you like, the only real thing we all have in common is that we know there is no God.
So can I just get back to your question, are you thinking you can bundle all scientists together as well as atheists?
Are you in fact telling us that all scientists agree with all the points you make in your question?
I think not!!
The point you are trying to make is seriously flawed, mainly by over generalisation , we atheists differ greatly, except in one respect.
However I for one, welcome your point of view, at least I havent noted any attempt to 'convert' me.
But it never ceases to amaze me how many folk think that All atheists must believe in Darwins ideas or must All believe in some reason for mankind being here.
I frequently think about these things, I also think about science, in fact I have a bit of a science background (dont we all)?
Most conclusions I reach are based on logic, but I dont ever think that I am more qualified as a judge than my fellow man.(except perhaps on the question of religion)!!
Just one more little point I would like to share with you, atheists have only one common belief, collectively we dont believe in God!! Amen.

Answer 9

Really? Let's go over these.

Probability - we actually know how it's supposed to be applied. Every statistician I know will tell you Dembski is an idiot.

Cause and effect - example of how we don't use it?

Biogenesis - we've done this in the lab with viruses. Next?

Information theory - sorry, creationists are the ones who don't understand this one.

Thermodynamics - entropy can decrease when energy is added to a system. And we have a constant source of energy in the sun.

So, was it us rejecting science, or you not understanding it?

Answer 10

You wrote, "Atheists look to in undemanding terms elect medical theories" nicely, duh! that's what technological awareness is, medical theories. it is not ideals in supernatural reasons that can't be wide-unfold. technological awareness and faith are no longer opposite aspects of the comparable coin, despite which means. historic references to super mathematicians and scientists merely means that they could be ignorant on how they exhibit themselves. Albert Einstein surely did no longer have faith in any God you may know. Albert is in many cases quoted out of context via fundamentalists who've in no way study his finished comments on faith, which he seen a stupid pastime. Sir Issac Newton additionally practiced alchemy. He replaced right into somewhat weird and wonderful that way. Dawkins is a scientist and assorted scientists believe him, whether maximum scientists evaluate debates of this nature to be fruitless as you could coach physics to a rock. Philosophers have delved into the profundities of life and did no longer locate any God residing there. Why won't be able to you're taking exhilaration in this? Why are you incapable of discovering? Is it which you do no longer choose for to earnings? Is it which you're anti-coaching and anti-technological awareness, and a ignorant liar too?