Why do anti-amnesty folks play whack-a-mole with the issue?

Question

When I talk about amnesty, they say 'what about the costs?'
When I talk about the costs, they say 'but they're not loyal to America!
When I talk about them demonstrating (like loyal citizens do in accordance with their Constitutional rights) to get legalized, people complain 'but they're unwilling to learn English'!
When I talk about how their kids almost all learn English, they say 'but they're illegal'!

Try to pin them down on one issue and they pop up with the next issue. Just because the issues are interrelated does NOT make it acceptable to hide behind the unmentioned ones when you're about to get hit.

Answer 1

Congratulations on fitting so many straw men into so little space. Do you have any legitimate questions?

JMB

Answer 2

Because this "problem" has many issues and many consequences. It's not as simple as "poof" they're legal now. I know that's what they want. But no.....guess when you live long enough you learn things aren't that "simple". You learn to look ahead at the consequences of your choices. It's a little more than if it feels good do it or shoving off the responsibility on someone else to deal with at a later date.

A situation isn't ALL good with nothing negative to deal with. Pretending the rest of the things aren't issues doesn't FIX the problem.

Anti-amnesty people want to FIX the problems. I don't like going over the same crap over and over and over again. I want it DONE, FIXED, no LOOPHOLES to have to go back and patch up later. I'm all for REFORM. It's obvious there's problems that need to be fixed. Amnesty and a blanket for all isn't FIXING the problems and right now no one beleives anything from this government. Secure the border FIRST. Get those border agents going. Hire more people to do the jobs WELL for all the processing. Get new software whatever it needs to WORK. SHOW ME......then we'll talk about the rest. These dim watts haven't even finished the last amnesty yet. They can't handle passports. They can't possibly be doing a through background check on someone in less than 24 hours when it takes sometimes up to a week for a citizen for a job interview. Multiple identies all the rest.....are you kidding?

If they're learning English then why aren't I hearing it? If they are speaking English then why do they need a translator after being here 25 years?

They aren't loyal to America or they wouldn't be flying the Mexican flag and disgracing ours.

I used to take it to the streets all the time. It costs MONEY. These guys have organizations funding them. LaRaza, the Communist Party, the Socialist Party. We pay for this out of our own pocket. We risk loosing jobs because sorry....you can loose your job for not going in. Once they become citizens.....wait till the hammer drops and all the laws you've skated past start getting enforced. Wait till they can't flee to Mexico or get a new identity so easily and watch the law suits roll in. I'm dying for the first Asian to sue a Spanish business for not speaking their language. I'm waiting for the first law suits where Spanish business owners have to start explaining why people of other races never get a job with them and can prove they are more than qualified to get it and that it's Mexicans who only hire "their" people and are the true racists. I'm waiting on the next lewd comments that go to court for sexual harrassment or child endangerment etc. I'm waiting for the people to actually start having to foot their own bill and not having an organization do it for them like the rest of have to. I can't wait to prove it's not the color of the skin that's the problem but the behavior that is and when you can't hide behind the race card anymore.

Answer 3

Immigration has many components. If you ask two people on the anti side, you would get two different items that they are concern the most of. I am mostly concerned about the legal ramification. If we do not significantly punish those who broke our law, it would encourage others to break our law. More would come in, hoping they would get Amnesty. I on the other hand am concern more of signals that others might recieve. If illegal immigrants break our law, than employers would breakour labor laws and abuse the illegal immigrants. I doubt any on the pro side would argue with me on that. My greatest fear came true last week, when I heard about the details of the bill. It said that some Felons would also be allowed to get the Z visa. Not are we condoning a violation of our borders, but also a serious crime as well. If we start breaking one law, others would follow. It's called a slippery slope. I learn this watching Law and Order. Others see other issue. When I talk to my coworkers about immigration, they talk about the burden to our Hospitals. I actually am not to concern of that, but do acknowledge it might be a problem. SOme here are concern about our school system, culture, and Crime. I do talk about those, but It's not why I care about illegal immigration. It's just more ammo.

You might have a more productive discussion on a one to one bases.

I feel the same way when I asked pro-amnesty questions too. They tend to deflect the question into a different subject.

Answer 4

You're just not talking to the right people.

When you talk about amnesty, illegals have absolutely no right to be here. Therefore they should be given no special priviledges whether work related or not. Why should we bump all the responsible immigrants who want to become citizens to the back of the line, and grant rights to the illegals that the responsible immigrants are trying so hard to get?

Costs? Check out this website http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
Illegal immigrants cost the US over $10 billion in tax revenue alone! If amnesty were to be granted it would cause an annual net deficit of $29 billion! So we'd be worse off than before!

Demonstrating? They are illegal immigrants and as such are not granted Constitutional rights. They have no freedom of speech protection, as such all demonstrators should be arrested on the spot by INS as performing in an unlawful demonstration. At that point there should be a fleet of buses to ship them straight back to where they came from, more than likely Mexico since 75% of all illegals are from Mexico.

Kids? Their kids do not learn English since our government has bent over backwards and now has Spanish speaking teachers in our schools!

Maybe it's just me, but I don't think you pinned me down on anything.

How about you discuss the dramatic influx of gang members in our cities that are Mexican gangs?

Answer 5

I will answer on why I am against amnesty for ALL ILLEGALS. I'm not just talking about the Hispanics who do make up the largest category. I am also talking about those from China, Korea, Cuba, Brazil, Russia, Pakistan, etc.

Those who have entered the United States did so against the law. Laws were put in place for the safety of those coming and for the citizens already living here. They could have applied for Visa or Green cards, but chose to come without the proper documentation.

It is estimated that over 12 million illegals are here. 1 in 12 are criminals, so that translates to a million criminals who are continuing to rape, steal and murder; not to mention the drugs. Those that are caught are crowding our jails. This also costs the tax payers money.

Another worry is healthcare. I'm not talking about who is paying for doctor bills. I'm talking about the possibility of a pandemic. I think it is a safe bet that most of the illegals are not up-to-date on their immunizations. Polio is considered eradicated in the US, but it is still prevalent in many other developing countries (India for example). Now add in the Bird Flu and other diseases that aren't native to the US. How do you think the West Nile virus entered the US? Could it have been a traveler? Or maybe an illegal? Did you hear about the guy with the drug resistant strain of TB? Think about it. 12 million people who aren't vaccinated! The US is asking for a major health crisis.

By giving amnesty, you are rewarding people for bad/illegal behavior. I wouldn't let a bank robber keep the money that he stole 10 years ago and tell him/her "well, you got away with it for 10 years, I guess you can go". Doesn't make sense with a bank robber and it doesn't make sense for an illegal either.

I truly do feel bad for those who risk EVERYTHING to be here. I wish their countries did a better job of providing them a comfortable living. However, the US is NOT capable of saving the world and we shouldn't be asked to either!

My last comment is on the language. It is annoying when Hispanics don't learn English. I have a neighbor who has a mother that has been in the country for 15 yrs (I don't know if it is legally or illegally) and she doesn't speak any English. That's being lazy! And I don't appreciate having recordings in English and Spanish. Unless you plan on putting French, German (my families native language), Russian, Tagalog, Chinese, etc on the recordings and bank machines, Spanish has no business being there by itself.

I do respect your opinion. Hopefully, you will respect mine.

Answer 6

What is your question? To attack people who are PRO AMERICAN?

Talking about Amnesty...they are criminals and the amnesty FORGIVES them of any crime that they commit here in the USA prior...that includes the ID theft which is a FELONY for citizens...but the illegal aliens go away with nothing...even if they destroyed another persons life in the process.

The costs? Yeah, lets talk about the costs..that 4.4 billion Bush is talking about isn't there right now, and is totally dependent on illegal aliens actually paying the $5,000...which I am almost positive wont happen because they don't want to pay ANYTHING!

When you talk about demonstrating, Bush has point blank said that the ONLY people that the Bill of Rights covers are AMERICAN CITIZENS so here is a mob in our streets that have no legal reason to be there.

And there are generations upon GENERATIONS who REFUSE to learn English...and if they DO try to learn English, then they end up slowing down the classes that they are in and the kids don't learn what they need to in that year.

You yourself need to pin down your question and the issue that you are trying to talk about...because as it is now it is jibberish and nothing more.

Answer 7

1,Amnesty is WRONG.
2,The cost of amnesty is a staggering 2.5 TRILLION dollars.
3, They did not demonstrate, they demanded
4, The majority of you people talk about how their kids are starving back in mexico.

The fact of the matter is that it is up to the will of America, and Americans overwhelmingly do not want illegal aliens to stay in America. It may be a hard pill to swallow but it is the truth.

Answer 8

Funny, I've yet to see someone answer a question with another question or a statement that doesn't apply to the question.

What about the costs: The costs of letting them stay will cost us more in the long run than to actually enforce our laws. It cost Los Angeles $276 million in welfare costs for 100,000 children of illegal aliens.

About the demonstrating: We do not get to pick and choose which laws we choose to follow. I feel that they should not get special treatment and choose what they want to follow and what they do not want to follow.

About the kids learning english: Not all of them do. I live in a state with a high illegal population, and rarely do you ever hear children speak English. The schools in my area have classes that are specifically Spanish speaking. So why should a child have to learn english when everything is handed to them in their own language?

40 percent of all workers are working for cash and not paying taxes. Why would they want to be legal and pay taxes? They would be able to start bringing the rest of their families to the USA.

75 percent of people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

Over two-thirds of all births are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by the taxpayers.

Nearly 25 percent of all inmates in California detention centers are here illegally.

Over 300,000 illegals are living in garages.

The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegals from south of the border.

Nearly 60 percent of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

Of the 10 million people in Los Angeles County, 5.1 million speak English and 3.9 million speak Spanish.

21 radio stations in Los Angeles are Spanish speaking.

More statistics:

Less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare.

Over 70 percent of the U.S. annual population growth (over 90 percent of California, Florida and New York) are from immigration.

29 percent of inmates in the federal prisons are illegal aliens.

The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

They also send between about $15 billion back to Mexico to assist their families and prop up the corrupt Mexican government that keeps most of its citizens in poverty. How about a revolt in their own country!

Answer 9

What issue would you like to talk about? I certainly wont dodge the issue.

cost - the USA cant afford it.
demonstrating - when I see grateful appreciative people mostly instead of people waving a mexican flag in my face we can talk.
english - I have had people from mexico tell me directly, 'I am goin to teach my kids spanish first becuase they are Mexicans first' what am I to think about that.

pick an issue or component of an issue and I will be glad to discuss it.

Answer 10

There are many many many impacts and reasons to be against illegal immigration. Taking care of THOSE would be 'comprehensive immigration reform'. However, our government doesn't seem at all interested in that.