CHRISTIANS - do you risk losing God's favor if the U.S. upholds a separation of church and state?

Question

For instance, if the phrase "IN GOD WE TRUST" were to be removed from all currency, would you lose God's favor?

What about prayer being taken out of school?

What about mention of your deity being taken out of the Pledge?

Is it all too much of a risk? Is it too much of a threat to your eternal salvation?

Or are you going to ignore the question and instead lecture me on how this country NEEDS the Lord siphoned into every facet of life?

Answer 1

I am a Christian, and strongly support the separation of church and state. Historically speaking, attempts to mix the two have been disastrous.

Answer 2

Your question has premises that are inaccurate. Though often termed "Separation of Church and state" the Constitution does not require that. The Constitution requires that Congress pass no law establishing a specific Church or prohibiting the free exercise of religion. Mentioning God in public does not establish a state Church. It's absurd to even argue that. If it was so the Declaration of Independence would be voided and we would still belong to Great Britain.

How does acknowledging God on our currency establish a State Church? Which Church does it establish?

How does acknowledging God's handiwork in establishing the freedom of this nation in the pledge establish a state church? Which church does it establish?

You also fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of the establishment and free exercise clause. They were to keep government from interfering in religion. Not religion interfering in government. The Constitution is quite clear that the religious people can serve in government without discrimination. In fact, the founders expecting religions to participate in the Democratic process. They are checked by other religions and interest groups.

The real question is why are you so insecure in your belief that people mentioning God in Public offends you? And why should you be able to force your religious views on others?

Answer 3

Most of these things that you refer to were a cold war reaction to the perception that Communist propaganda was being covertly sneaked into the school lesson plans by soviet sympathizers trying to steer the country toward atheism, and eventually, Communism. It was seen at the time as pro-American propaganda to counter the perceived Soviet propaganda.

The real question to you is, what HARM does it cause to have these historic, ceremonial references to the influence that Christianity has traditionally had on the development of western thought (And, ironically, on the development of Socialism also)? You may not like Christianity, but there is no denying its role in western history, for better and the worse.

Will making society totally sterile of any reference to religion somehow make life better for atheists? Why are (some) atheists wasting so much time and energy trying to ban these trivial passing references to God, if they really didn’t matter?

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I suppose that next some atheists will call for editing the Declaration of Independence next to remove all of Jefferson’s references to “Nature’s God” and "Creator" (Imagine that! Ol’e Tom himself is hypocritically violating his own rule about the "separation of Church & State"! Or just maybe, atheists has misunderstand the actual intent & meaning behind that phrase.).

I'm sorry, but blatant censorship is not “separation”, no matter how you look at it.

Answer 4

Why would you want to do this?

It is not that we will lose favor with God.
God will always be God no matter what we do.

Isn't the truth that you simply do not what to be reminded that their IS a God?

The separation of church and state clause also includes the government not limiting the free expression of it. It's intent was to keep the government from forming a national religion, such as what England had.

Regardless of the faith of our founding fathers, they were in agreement that a government such as our was inadequate unless the people of the nation had the morals that religions provide by their belief in God.

Answer 5

1. In God we trust taken out?
Let them take it..It will not falter my faith.

2. Prayer out of school?
I have not seen prayer in school since i was a child

3. The pledge.
I do not care. I was raised saying the pledge with One nation under God. And I will continue to say it like that. Im rebellious by heart.

and 4...is it too much of a risk? a threat? please! dont make me laugh.

and no i will not lecture you. I see no point in lecturing one who knows what things are about. Ur not a child.

Answer 6

Well considering there are still a lot of religious organizations and religious people I don't see that happening soon, but You got to think of it like Sodom and Gomorrah, God said he wouldn't destroy them if Abraham could find 50 righteous people. When God destroyed the world in the flood Noah and he family where basically the only righteous ones here. You have to many Christians (real ones) in the U.S. for God to destroy, but he will be disappointed in our country and believe it or not we will all feel the wrath if God is taken completely out. Considering I just went to a public high school graduation the other day in one of the top 10 biggest cities in VA and they still opened it with Prayer, I doubt anything will happen soon =)

God Bless

Answer 7

I'm a Christian, and I'll have to say that if a Christian is too busy trying to get Christianity stuck into every nook and crany of the world, not only is it a lost cause, but that particular christian is wasting time they could have been doing something more productive for God. If there were a seperation of church and state, then I would continue to pray as I do now... It would make no difference.

Answer 8

No christians in this country aren't at risk of loosing God's favor because we have a seperation of church and state in this country because Jesus said in the bible when asked about taxes to give what is Ceaser's to Ceaser and what is God's to God.

Answer 9

Of course none of us risks losing God's favor for any of the above.
In fact there is only one way (to my knowledge) of losing God's favor and that is to deny Christ's divinity.

All the rest of it is only window-dressing, helpful to some, not to others, but none of it salvational in any way.

Hope this helps!

P.S. I happen to agree with your last salvo: Just as political correctness helped NO ONE to be better, kinder, gentler, etc., by the same token putting a big ole "JESUS SAVES" on everything only dilutes the real message and keeps a lot of people from figuring out their own salvation, as the Bible requires.

With political correctness, people felt like as long as they remembered to say "African-American" that they didn't have to worry about their hidden racism. With Christianity, people feel that if the put a Christian fish symbol on their car, they are excused from loving non-believers.

Thanks for your question.

Answer 10

The funny thing is, people will claim "We were founded as a Christian nation" but at the time, not even all Christian sects were accepted. Most likely, none of the current denominations would be considered correct or proper by anyone who felt religion should hold a place in government in the 16-1700s.

Answer 11

They are running on such a slippery slope, those who elect to mix politics and religion. These two entities have become so tangled that, in many churches, to discontinue support for this administration is an act against God.