please show us just one scripture in the new testament were Christ followers can harm others?

Question

many who call themselfs followers of Jesus Christ,say war is ok,it is ok to harm our enemys.even though Jesus says to love them,to resist not evil,it is no longer an eye for an eye.PLEASE SHOW US we want to see one Bible text in the new testament that allowes such things as violence to others done by followers of Jesus Christ.show us just one verse in the new testament that shows it ok to harm or kill anouther human being as Christs followers.there are many that say not to .....You cant find ONE that says followers of Christ Can for any resone.now is your chance prove the doctrine I preach is Not of God....peace

hebrews 4:12"for the word of God is quick,and powerfull,and shaper than any two edge sword,piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and the marrow,and is a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart"jesus did say, I bring not peace but a sword.(.The word of GOD)Jesus also said if my kindom were of this world then would my servants fight.but my Kindom is not from hence.

see john 18:36.peace

Answer 1

Jesus never covers what to do when one's family is about to be murdered.

Therefore is it relatively safe to assume that Jesus would rely on the Jewish concept of self defense.

Properly translated from the original Hebrew, the phrase is: You shall not murder. Look at a Jewish version of the Ten Commandments: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Scripture/Torah/Ten_Cmds/ten_cmds.html

The commandment "You shall not kill" forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful. The murderer and those who cooperate voluntarily in murder commit a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance. (Gen 4:10)

Killing in self defense, a just war, and lawful capital punishment are not considered murder.

However many Christians including Catholics believe most modern governments no longer need to use capital punishment to protect society from criminals.

http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.htm

+ War +

Catholics use the rigorous consideration of the “just war” doctrine to determine if defense by military force is legitimate.

Offensive war is never justified.

All the following considerations must be true to justify war:
1. The damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
2. All other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
3. There must be serious prospects of success;
4. The use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated.

WWII against the Nazis was a just war.

It has been argued the pre-war Iraq:
1. Was not inflicting lasting, grave and certain damage to the United States;
2. Could have been influenced by diplomatic and international sanctions.

It is argued now that:
3. There is not a serious prospect of success;
4. The use of arms has produced evils and disorders greater than the evil eliminated.

The "new" philosophy of the United States to launch wars to get them before they get us can even be argued as an offensive war which would not be justified.

http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.htm

+ With love in Christ.

Answer 2

There are some that are always pushed under the carpet, or else absurd excuses are made that twist the meaning. Matt 10:34 .....`.I bring not peace but a sword `??? Certainly a militant statement, no messing with the meaning there !! Luke22:36 ....`and he that has no sword,let him sell his garment and buy one` ??? Again, no messing with the war like intentions there as Jesus instructs his followers to carry weapons, He later approves this course of action. Well Mark F, WHAT ARE THE EXCUSES THIS TIME ?

Answer 3

There are several!

Let's see, Jesus said

"Continue to love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44)
Oh wait, that's not it. Try this one:

"Those who take up the sword will perish by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)
Oh wait, that's not the one I was thinking of either.

How about the words of Paul at 2 Timothy 2:24 "a slave of the Lord does not need to fight".
D'oh, I keep messing up.

Maybe this one "Be peaceable towards all men" Romans 12:18

I give up.

Answer 4

Baptism, Romans 6, isn't a public announcement to others that you simply comply with Christ, however alternatively this can be a unification with you and Christ. This is how you return into touch with Jesus via His loss of life. Galations three:27 says it unites us with Him. one million Peter three:20-21 compares baptism with the Ark. The car that stored Noah; Baptism is the car that saves us.

Answer 5

War is not OK but... the soldiers are doing what they are ordered to do . What if our fathers just let Germany or Japan just take over ? We probably wouldn't be here or speaking another language and maybe being their slaves .You have to protect your self sometimes .

Answer 6

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. Luke 22: 36, 38

Answer 7

the sword of the lord has 2 meanings =1 he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword [as in the natural so in the spiritual]
2= take on the WHOLE armour of god=the sword is the word of god to fight against the wiles of the devil.

i would also like to say this.
when peter put the sword in his hand and cut off the high priest servants ear jesus said put up your sword and quoted what he said above.
i hope this answers your question brother i still feel your spirit brother as ive spoke to you before on it do you know what i mean?. god bless you in your quest for truth. jesus said MY words are truth and life not anothers .
the triniterians say god is truth jesus christ who is the everlasting father said im the way the TRUTH AND THE LIFE
so all you trinity doctrine believers out there WHAT ABOUT IT WAS THE PROPHET BY THE HOLY GHOST A LIAR WHEN HE SAID THIS MAN MESSIAH WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY GOD IN FLESH ONE GOD NOT ANOTHER PERSON, TELL ME ALSO WHY DID THE JEWS WANT JESUS DEAD THEY SAID THIS BECAUSE YOU BEING A MAN MAKETH THYSELF GOD ,HE DIDNT MAKE HIMSELF NOTHING HE WAS WHO HE SAID HE WAS GOD=ELOHIEM =WHAT THAT WORD MEANS IS [THE SELF EXCISTING ONE= NOT 2 NOR 3 PERSONS IN ONE GOD = THATS FROM HELL AND CAME OUT OF ROME AFTER THE NINCE COUNCIL 325AD ALSO TO THE TRINITY FELLOWS NOT YOU MARK F , BUT THE UNBELIEVERS= TELL ME WHERE ONE PERSON WAS BAPTISED IN THE TITLES OF FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST IN THE NEW TESTAMENT I WANT TO SEE IT TELL ME I REQUIRE AN ANSWER OFF OF YOU ALL AS THATS MY RIGHT FOR THE LORD SAYS YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE ANSWER OF THE HIGH CALLING THATS IN YOU IF YOU ARE BORN AGAIN AND I WANT AN ANSWER YOU KNOW IF YOU TRINITERIANS WHO LIFT THE SWORD AGAINST OTHERS WHO DONT BELIEVE YOUR DOCTRINE AND SAY OH THEY DONT BELIEVE ARE HOLY TRINITY THEY WILL GO TO HELL,WELL I WANT YOU TRINATERIANS TO KNOW SOMETHING THE VERY DOCTRINE YOU BELIEVE IN SENT 68 MILLION CHRISTIANS TO THERE DEATHS BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT BELIEVE YOUR FILTHY DOCTRINE WHAT ABOUT THAT TALK ABOUT A BLOODY SWORD YOUS ARE THE ONES THAT USE IT AND WILL KEEP ON USEING IT ==THE RED HORSE RIDER HES STILL RIDEN BOYS AND ITS ROME AND HER DOCTRINE =DO YOU KNOW WHAT OUR PRESIOUS LORD JESUS CHRIST SAID ABOUT HER HE SAID SHES A WHORE AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW SOMETHING-ELSE HE CALLS HER DAUGHTERS WHORES ALSO FOR THATS WHAT A HARLOT IS=WHO ARE HER DAUGHTERS YOU SO CALLED PROTESTANT CHURCHES =YES SO CALLED=YOUR SO CALLED LEADERS ARE ONLY PROTESTANT POPES [VICARS OF CHRIST] MARK F THERE IS YOUR REAL MURDERERS WHAT ABOUT THAT ==THATS THUS SAITH THE HOLY GHOST. NOW ALL YOU OUT THERE THAT READ THIS BEWARE LEST IN YOUR HEART YOU WOULD CALL THAT WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS REVEALED TO YOU ALL A LIE FOR GOD THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WILL NOT HAVE HIS PERSONAGE CALLED A LIAR. GOD BLESS MARK == BE ANGRY BUT SIN NOT == BE WISE AS A SERPENT BUT HARMLESS AS A DOVE.

Answer 8

none.
we're told to simply"shake the dust off our feet" and move on.