Smart answers please: Is God logically possible?

Question

Capital "G" Biblical God, here...First, we need to define his characteristics. I think people agree he's supposed to be omniscient, omnipotent...that's about it. Certainly he's not fair or loving, so forget about those.

So, CAN a being that is all knowing and all powerful create this universe, exist before that creation, and not need to be created?

Answer 1

According to God's logic, yes.

Answer 2

Okay, you skipped some things.

God has three O's: Omniscience, Omnipresence, Omnipotence. In English: All-Seeing, Everywhere, All-Powerful.

Omnipresence, the act of being everywhere, does not mean that He **is** everything, it means that He exists in every place at the same time. Remember that God is a Spirit. This means that he exists in all dimensions simultaneously: the first (a line), the second (a box), the third (a cube), and the fourth (time), and technically beyond that. We, as human beings, only percieve 1/2 of the 4th dimension (time), because we only move forewards, not back. But because He's everywhere, He exists all over the 4th dimension simultaneously. So He sees all time.

On top of that, there's two other things:

1) All Goodness. Sometimes this could be called Perfection. It means that while we may not like everything He does, He's always right. He's always Just, which means He can't NOT punish evil. Since He is Just, He's also Fair. (He's also loving, because He took our sins upon Himself and died for us, so if you can't see that He is loving even after that, i can't see you ever doing so; oh well).

Second, Eternal. This means that He is pre-existent to time. Logically this makes sense. Effects cannot be larger than their causes. Things cannot create effects bigger than themselves: an artist cannot paint something beyond himself. Therefore, the universe has to be lesser in scale to God, if God is the universe's cause. He needed to be bigger than the universe He's created in order to create it.

Eternal also means He existed before it. Logically, if God created the universe, He had to exist before it, because effects cannot pre-exist their causes. Therefore, if we count even the 4 dimensions as part of the universe (which they are), then there was logically no time before the universe was created. And the Big Bang theory concurs.

So God must have existed before time, in some manner we cannot comprehend, being confined to our 3 & 1/2 dimensions. If God is Eternal, how can He have a beginning? This logically goes like this:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause. The universe began. It needs a cause.

Everything that does not have a beginnign cannot have a cause. God did not have a beginning, He has always existed. Therefore, He cannot have a cause.

I.e., He couldn't of been created.

Answer 3

Yes.

You make assumptions that do not make a lot of sense though, the not fair or loving for example.

Logically can matter suddenly come into existence in a closed system?

The answer is NO. In a closed system matter cannot be created or destroyed. Therefore the Universe is either intermittently or constantly open since matter does in fact exist.

Even though the Universe is either intermittently or constantly open this does not explain the original concept of the initial creation of matter in the Universe, or if you prefer, the Multiverse.

Currently there are only two possible explanations for the existence of matter in the universe. Either matter was created spontaneously without any interaction OR matter was created by a supreme being.

In other words no matter if you believe in the Big Bang or God the Universe begins with "First a miracle happens and then..."

Therefore we can logically conclude that this miracle can, infact, be a Supreme Being. God.

Answer 4

There's no need to assume a god or an "infinitely smart extraterrestrial" (whatever that might mean). "Nothing" doesn't and can't really exist. There is always the quantum field, which is as close to nothing as can be. But, it's still not quite nothing. It used to be that science couldn't answer the question about the origin the universe or of the Big Bang, but that didn't mean we should make up an answer (such as a god) and say that it was the cause. Within the last few decades science has discovered some good answers. There are many well-respected physicists, such as Stephen Hawking, Lawrence Krauss, Sean M. Carroll, Victor Stenger, Michio Kaku, Alan Guth, Alex Vilenkin, Robert A.J. Matthews, and Nobel laureate Frank Wilczek, who have created scientific models where the Big Bang and thus the entire universe could arise from nothing but a quantum vacuum fluctuation -- via natural processes. In relativity, gravity is negative energy, and matter and photons are positive energy. Because negative and positive energy seem to be equal in absolute total value, our observable universe appears balanced to the sum of zero. Our universe could thus have come into existence without violating conservation of mass and energy — with the matter of the universe condensing out of the positive energy as the universe cooled, and gravity created from the negative energy. When energy condenses into matter, equal parts of matter and antimatter are created — which annihilate each other to form energy. However there is a slight imbalance to the process, which results in matter dominating over antimatter. I know that this doesn't make sense in our Newtonian experience, but it does in the realm of quantum mechanics and relativity. As Nobel laureate physicist Richard Feynman wrote, "The theory of quantum electrodynamics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as she is — absurd." For more, watch the video at the 1st link - "A Universe From Nothing" by Lawrence Krauss, or get his book (at the 2nd link). -

Answer 5

If man took your approach to life we would still be primitive. Remember when man thought the World was flat and they argued how could the World be round for hundreds and thousands of years. Somethings you want understand in your lifetime but you have to be smart enough to not rule them out. Because when you rule dreams you can't touch at the time out you greatly limit yourself. What if Bill Clinton would have said he could not be president because he grew up poor and was raised by a single mom. We wouldn't know who he is today. You should understand this even if your Republican or don't like Billy Clinton. Sometimes if you only believe in the here and now you stay stuck in the here and now. You need to dream to live and be free. If your dreams turn out to not be true "oh well" it doesn't matter. But if they are true and you didn't chase them or believe in them you wasted your whole life being closed minded. I would put my last dollar on the FACT your not very successful or happy. Because you never tried anything because you never believed in your dreams. To go to heaven is the greatest success of them all. I will still be dead in that grave either if there is a heaven or if there isn't one. So either way believers have nothing to loose. So why not chase such a great goal. The rewards are great if you do make it or if there is a God. peace.

Answer 6

Yes, logically. He represents the simple idea of infinity. If you believe that infinity is logically possible, then you can believe that, logically, an infinite being exists. Not a tangible, or living being, but a being that has always been and transcends what we know to be real. It is logical to imagine that there are things outside of what we have learned.

If you can believe that Matter or gravity has always been then then God, whether He does or does not exist, is at the very least a logical POSSIBILITY.

Answer 7

No, the biblical God is not logicly possable. I will use the bibles "facts" to prove so.

1. God created man in his image.
~ If God looks like man, how can he be everywhere all the time. And for those who believe this, and also say he is in the wind, id the trees, and in all of nature, do you look like a tree? Can you be in the wind?

2. God created the heaven and the Earth.
~ If he created the heavens, where did he live prior to then?

3. Eve was created from Adam's Rib bone.
~If he could create Adam from nothing, why did he need the rib for eve.

4. He told Adam and Eve to go forth and multiply.
~ If he can create people, why not create more himself. Adam and Eve were the only people, how were people created when the only others were their children. Does that make insest the proper wat to make a family. If so, why does it create birth defects.

I could go on and on. The bible is not logical in and of itself. It is a wonderful piece of fiction writting, the Harry Potter of it's time. If the bible is fictional, then God is as well.

Answer 8

Yes He IS fair & loving. He is the perfect example of what a parent should be. It's certainly FAIR to punish those who deserve it. Are you trying to tell me that you don't think it's fair when somebody who has committed a serious crime receives jail time? It's completely FAIR to bless children who are obedient. Wouldn't you be willing to make an exception and extend your teen's regular curfew by 1 hour for a special occassion if they habitually obey their regular curfew?

Logically - we will NEVER understand the infinite mind of God. We're only human. Thank God FAITH doesn't require logic, and all God requires is FAITH!
LIFE is not fair, and God never said it would be, so get over yourself. He promised to be there for us ALWAYS, and He keeps that promise. Whether or not we turn to Him is up to us - but He IS there waiting...

Answer 9

Yes.

He could exist in another dimension, were self-creation is possible and therefore harness the power to become God so then He made us in this world. I mean we know so little, and based on what we see, God is logical. We find the usually the creations have a creator and we have never seen something in our dimension make something out of nothing for a purpose. I mean there needs to be a cause.

Answer 10

Omnicient and omnipotent is different that the God (capital G) of the bible, who is a personal being.

A being such as that could certainly exist. Leibniz and others would say that it's very nature of omnipotence demands it exist. This is a different thing though than saying any one religion is right.

Short answer, yes, it is possible.

Answer 11

Some Christian denomination believe that we are the adopted children of God because Jesus is the only begotten child of God.They say define adopted what ever way you want. It's funny that you say God isn't fair or loving. Have you ever heard of Jewish comedian Lewis Black? In one of his stand up acts he says "The new testement God is really a great God while the old testement God is a prick. Leading Moses around the desert for forty years getting to the promised land and God says to him hey, Mo you ain't gettin' in kiss my *** ha, ha, ha! Who'd wanna work for that guy?" Lewis was so hilarious!