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Question

hey! i was readin hp no 6 fro the 300th time whn i noticed this bit. its after harry, hermione an hagrid hav jst visited ron after he was poisoned an hagrid lets slip abt da argument between dumbledore an snape an i quote:
"it sounded like snape was feelin a bit overworked, th's all- anyway dumbledore told him flat out he'd agreed to do it an tht was all there was to it. pretty firm with him" page 380 hrdbck version.
y do i get the feelin tht dumbledore was hintin sumthin 2 do with his death. maybe snape didnt want to do it which is y he was arguin with him. tell me ur views on this! thnx usy

from this bit i feel tht dumbleodre told snape to kill him but i dont knw y

Answer 1

I definitely think this means that Dumbledore and Snape had a plan before the events on the tower. Why else would Dumbledore PLEAD to Snape? Dumbledore, more than anyone else in the series, understands death and never cowers while facing his enemies... why would he plead to Snape unless he was begging Snape to do the thing that Snape didn't want to do?

And we know that Snape didn't want to do it because of how he acted while running away from the castle... Instead of taunting Harry with "Dumbledore was a fool" and "you never guessed my true loyalties!" Snape was in PAIN, and professed that he was NOT a coward for doing what he did... it would be very brave, actually, to kill Dumbledore, even though he didn't want to.

Snape, instead of hurting Harry or taunting him or being sarcastic, TEACHES him... "Blocked again, Potter, until you learn to close your mouth and your mind" He's telling Harry that Harry's fight is useless without nonverbal magic and Occlumency

*edit to help answer additional question*
Why? Because Snape had the unbreakable vow and if it was broken, Snape would die... Dumbledore was faced with the following choices:

Do nothing: This would ultimately lead to either his own death by Draco, or Draco's inability to kill him, which would cause Snape to die and Draco to face retribution from Voldemort

Offer Draco safety: This makes Draco aware of the possibility of being safe, and the alternative to life as a Death Eater, but it puts Snape's life in danger, if Draco fails to do the task... Dumbledore must choose between his own life and Snape's life... at the time, Dumbledore was poisoned, probably fatally, so it would make sense for Dumbledore to want Harry to have someone on the inside to help him ultimately destroy Voldemort.


So yes, I believe this argument is one thing, among many clues, that point to Snape being ultimately against Voldemort.

Answer 2

I'm sure Dumbldore didnt PLAN for Snape to kill him, but I think he did tell Snape that if the situation arised in which he would either need to break the unbreakable curse (and die) or to kill him, that he needs to do it. Otherwise Snape's cover would have been blown.

That's the big question everyone's been asking since the book came out, and you're definitely not the first one to suggest there's something funny going on with the way Dumbledore was killed. Until July 21st, happy speculating!

Answer 3

Yes, that's been my theory all along. Dumbledore's death is foreshadowed in Chapter 3 when Dumbledore tells the Dursleys that he wants Harry to come back for one more time before he turns 17. That's a form of getting his affairs in order before he dies. It could well be that he already knew about Snape's Unbreakable Vow (which happened right before in Chapter 2), plus that business with his blackened hand could indicate that he didn't think he had much time left. If destroying that horcrux didn't kill him, he probably figured that the next one would. Who knows?

In any case, we DO know that Snape is an expert legilmens. And we also know that Dumbledore is not afraid to die. Therefore, we can conclude that Dumbledore was not pleading for his life up on the tower when he begged Snape by saying, "Please." He was begging Snape to do what he promised and Snape was able to read Dumbledore's thoughts.

Also notice that Snape's reaction to Dumbledore's plea ("revulsion and hatred" p.595) is almost word for word the reaction that Harry had when he was forced to feed the potion to Dumbledore ("Hating himself, repulsed by what he was doing.." p.571). In that context, you can better understand why Snape exploded with anger when Harry called him a coward as he was fleeing.

I believe Dumbledore figured out that, what with his dying and the Unbreakable Vow, it would be best if Snape assumed the role of finishing Dumbledore off in order to get in closer with Voldemort and thus be in the best position of protecting Harry when he needed it most.

Answer 4

That is my thought too. I think that Dumbledore knew that destroying Slytherin's ring had fatally wounded him and Snape knew so too. Therefore he allowed himself to be bound to Dumbledore"s death, a death he knew was imminent and against which he knew Dumbledore had taken precautions to ensure that his death would not derail the anti-Voldemort movement.

The quote you noticed might indicate that Snape would have preferred to die (at that point) rather than have the infamy for being involved in Dumbledore's death.

Answer 5

Seems like maybe Dumbledore was telling Snape that he found a shield for the Curse and was telling him where and when would be the best time and place to complete the set-up.

Answer 6

accepted: Hermione. i respect Hermione because she is so very resembling me. Least accepted: Umbridge. I hated her better than Voldermort, and that i did not even imagine that replaced into conceivable! Umbridge: HATE HER!! Voldemort: HATE HIM!! Dumbledore: he's wonderful. he's this kind of sensible personality. Harry Potter: How might want to you no longer love the major personality? Ron Weasly: he's hilarious, and so beautiful. sensible too, have self belief it or no longer. Hermione Granger: Fave! Dean Thomas: Meh, i do not fairly have an opinion on him. Sean Finnigan: i replaced into so mad even as he theory Harry replaced into mendacity contained in the fifth e book, yet then he replaced my options by helping him. Neville Longbottom: this kind of beautiful personality. Draco Malfoy: Hate him. Snape: Hated him each and every of ways up until eventually the seventh e book and now he's one among my faves. McGonagall: This lady kick ***! professional. Sprout: She replaced into extraordinarily cool. Her mandrake draught kept numerous human beings contained in the second one e book. professional. Flitwick: he's very reliable. Sirius Black: What a legend. he's so loving, unswerving, courageous and a competent wizard, no matter if he's slightly reckless. Fred and George Weasley: Haha, i will marry those adult adult males. i respect them. Ginnny Weasly: She is tremendous. one among my favourites. this kind of sturdy little lady. Percy Weasly: A yet too up-himself and such. He fairly doesn't in superb condition into the Weasley relatives. Hagrid: i respect Hagrid! Characters you skipped over: bill Weasley, Charlie Weasley, Fleur Delacour, Remus Lupin, Nymphadora Tonks, Luna Lovegood, Mad-Eye Moody, Hedwig, Buckbeak, Fang, Crookshanks and the Dursley's.

Answer 7

I feel that was Dumbles telling snape he had to kill him.. The whole, Severus please by Dumbles was not Dumbles begging for his life but Dumbles begging Snape to fulfill his promise

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Answer 8

yeah..d 1st stage of D vs snape squabble..or later argument tht made snape so mad he wanted 2 kill D. he made a lot of sneering remarks abt D to others too.

Answer 9

he didnt want to cuz he may ba follower of u no who but he has started to. dumbledore. do u know how long snape has been there!!!!!! he still has the mark but ya he doesnt want to

Answer 10

hmm, thats an intersting idea, are you saying that dumbledore TOLD him to kill him? i dont know, maybe there was a really good reason to tell him taht, if thats the case. that is pretty good perception. wow. i am a HUGE harry potter fan too!!!!