Finally something positive coming out of congress! How do you feel about the gun-control bill?

Question

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070613/ap_on_go_co/congress_gun_control

I hope it passes in the senate and gets signed into law.

Robert M.

Read the article, then post. Numbnut.

Answer 1

MILITIA.

That's what the Second Amendment is about. Study the history of it. The states did not trust the central government to protect them and wanted to be able to do it themselves.

WELL-REGULATED

Who has the authority to regulate, but the government?

So it is NOT inherently unconstitutional to regulate guns. Gun fetishists have reworded the Second Amendment in their own minds to read, 'Congress shall pass no law whatsoever regulating guns" but that's not what it means. There have been many laws passed regulating guns by Congress, and NONE of them have been found unconstitutional.

Answer 2

To those of the knee-jerk anti-gun crowd....

1. "Well-regulated" refers to training - NOT to the enactment of regulations.

2. The last portion of the Second Amendment states "shall not be infringed..." Essentially, that means that any laws infringing upon the right to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional.

According to 10 USC 311, the militia consists of all able-bodied males between the ages of 17-45. A discussion can be found at http://www.constitution.org/mil/rev_read.htm.

I've been on the street 18 years as an officer or deputy. There has been NO gun control bills that has made me feel safer.

None of the gun control bills have produced any tangible results. Why?

1. Look at who obeys the gun laws - the criminals???? Try again - that's why they're called criminals. It's the honest people - the non-criminals - that obey the laws.

2. Just because crime drops at the same time as a billl is enacted means nothing. For statisticians - correlation does not mean causation.

3. Congress claims widespread support by law enforcement - the only support they have is from a number of appointed chiefs of police, whose sole job is sitting behind a desk. They're not on the street. Ask any officer who's been on the street more than a couple of years.

Get real and look at the facts - and not just the pablum spewed forth from various orifices of the liberal (un) intelligentsia.

Calif Deputy

Answer 3

The Bill of Rights

"The Congress Shall Make No Law"

If Congress can regulate guns without amending the constitution then Freedom of Speech, Religion, Assembly, the Press are not worth the paper they are written on. People like you are destroying America

Answer 4

I would say finally, yet, I know how the system works. Each bill of progress towards a ratification of gun access in the US has been altered and changed, all in due time. Nothing sticks. My friend John Scully died in the SFO law firm shooting protecting his wife from gun fire. His parents have waited and watched all these years as they also campaign on these bills. Same, same. They pass they get voted away like the wind. Depends on what else is on the bargaining table or who wants what. Has nothing to do with a common good. Initially the Gov of Virginia was to pass a bill allowing students to carry concealed weapons on campus to protect themselves. What happened to their state agenda. See Gun laws can be dictated by them all alone w/out a national consensus.
We will see, but I always hope someday someone wakes up to the horror of this. Maybe if their kid is shot dead they might.

*Above Cho bought his guns legally in the State of Virginia followed their current laws. He was not on any list regarding his mental health issues. He waited a full 30 days for the second gun and add'l rounds. That gun store has been involved in selling guns in over 5 convictions murder weapons from them. They have not been investigated further. A NYC camera crew and reporters did a story to help prove that guns went up to New York via the lax laws in this state. Gangs+guns. Every day on my news here in Florida. How about u?

Answer 5

Cho did NOT buy his guns illegally (to the poster who claimed that he had). He bought them legally. Gun shops are not required to find out if a customer has had a history of mental illness before they sell him a gun, nor do they have any way to check.

I resent the part in the bill that will allocate tax funding to states in order to pay for this. If gun makers and gun buyers want their hobby, FINE. Then THEY are financially obligated to see that the necessary background mechanisms are paid for, not the public at large. I don't expect a tax subsidy to help me afford new guitar strings, or food for my tropical fish. Those are my costs of enjoying my hobbies. Gun hobbyists should be free to have their guns. But they have to pony up and admit that a cost of being in that hobby is protecting the public from their weapons.

As for whether this bill is useful or not... it's useless. The bill will make it illegal to sell guns to the mentally ill. That's nice. And how will a gun shop check? Who will create this master database of patient mental illness? What happens when a guy walks into a gun shop with a full set of id that isn't his own, and it all checks out perfectly?

Nope, this is yet another piece of feel-good crap intended to let politicians pat themselves on the back and take good photo ops to show the public that "we're doing something about those dangerous guns." In fact, the solution is much simpler, but requires spine --- something politicians do not have.

You're caught buying an illegal gun - 20 years.
Store owner knowingly sells an illegal gun, or knowingly sells it to someone who he shouldn't - Store out of business instantly, all assets siezed and used to pay for gun control enforcement.
Injure someone with a gun - 20 years.
Use a gun in a crime - 20 years
Kill someone with a gun? --- death.

All sentences MINIMUM and MANDATORY.

None of the above would stop a loony from going on a shooting spree. Nothing will ever stop that. But it will stop the vast amount of illegal weapons crime. A simple hold-up at a convenience store becomes a mandatory 20 year jail term, even if nobody is injured. That $100 in the cash register is looking might small now, ain't it?

It will protect the public, and it will allow the gun folks to have their guns.

There.... nice and easy. It just requires political will, of which our Government has none.

Answer 6

More gun-control, under the guise of a life-saving measure. How many people will fall for that? Many!
It's obviously a knee-jerk reaction to something that really isn't a problem--when compared to, say, illegal aliens killing, robbing, raping, etc. Abortion wastes more lives than guns do, by millions per year. The govt isn't interested in "saving lives" any more than the (private) IRS is interested in your "saving money".

Answer 7

Just another law on top of a law that already existed. The law won't have any impact because doctors are legally prevented from reporting mentally unstable people due to privacy laws.

Answer 8

As it stands I would support it. I am a gun owner and NRA member. But it is likely that all the freedom haters in congress will try to add on more useless restrictions, causing the bill to fail. I guess we shall see.

Answer 9

Obama does want extra governmental controls on human beings and a lot less freedoms for human beings i have self belief that's in ordinary words a remember of time until eventually someone that he places right into a black gown will attempt to take our guns. Obama gained't do it right away, he doesn't do some thing right away. And no, regulation abiding electorate might want to no longer might want to sign up guns with the authorities. it is a rustic outfitted on freedoms for the human beings - those freedoms might want to be taken far flung from those who wreck the regulation. newborn molesters ought to sign up their whereabouts with the authorities. You and that i have all an similar information to molest toddlers as does someone already convicted of it - might want to all and multiple might want to sign up their whereabouts with the authorities besides? Anti gun advocates are the in ordinary words anti crime team who needs to remove from regulation abiding electorate rather of the regulation breakers. there is already a regulation prohibiting bringing handguns into colleges. note of that the in ordinary words human beings this regulation restricts are secure, regulation abiding gun proprietors. The criminals nevertheless usher of their guns - seems stupid, doesn't it? Why no longer make regulations that say in ordinary words regulation abiding electorate are allowed to deliver their guns to college - then a minimum of the criminals does no longer be the in ordinary words ones armed. ultimately, convinced the second one modification says we've the right to save our guns. Judges in the present day now no longer have self belief that they are "umpires", making confident that courtroom hearings are held in accordance to the guidelines of the game (the structure) - they have self belief that that's their interest to make the guidelines as they see in superb condition. faster or later, perchance quickly, perchance lengthy from now, the authorities will come to take the guns far flung from the regulation abiding electorate - if each and every of the legal guns are registered, then in ordinary words criminals will be allowed to save theirs. by no ability, by no ability, by no ability sign up guns.

Answer 10

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The gun-control bill is unconstitutional.

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