So the soul enters the body at conception and you believe no soul can go to heaven without being baptized, then what happens to the stillborn babys soul.
2007-06-11 16:56:45 · 17 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
I asked this question out of curiosity to another questions answer on abortion. I myself do not believe that you must be baptized with water to enter heaven. Just wondering.
2007-06-11 17:10:56 · update #1
I believe the soul goes in and out and hovers very close to his/her mother from conception... or maybe even very close to her well beforehand. The waters of the amniotic fluid is sufficient for the baby.
2007-06-11 17:17:35 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
The "soul" is the being in it's entirety. That is to say that the soul is the body with it's spirit (life essence- literally "breeze" or "breath" given by God). A soul never "enters" the body. That's why the question of abortion exists (When is it a living thing- literally "a soul?") The Biblical equivalent of English word "soul" is also used for other living things. The basis for baptizing infants is that we are told to baptize "all nations" excluding no one, and not to do so would be our disobedience, not the child's. The salvific "work" in baptism is God's, not the baptizer or baptized's. It is a means of grace. There are exceptions within the Christian Bible of people attaining salvation without the opportunity of baptism (the thief on the cross). We are also told that God is judge. The salvation of the unborn is God's concern, not ours. We are not given the opportunity to fulfill our obligation to baptize with an unborn child. Superstitious people in medieval times would have the pregnant mother drink baptismal water. That's a little ridiculous.
2007-06-12 00:15:32 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
For me, of course a soul "enters the body" at conception. Therefore abortion, while different from murder, is wrong. However I do not bealieve in baptism, find me a place in the Holy Bible, The Holy Qur'an, the Kitab-i-Aqdas, the Vedas, whatever where it says this, and I will give you money. A Stillborn Baby most likely continues on to the next world free of sin.
2007-06-12 00:03:55 · answer #3 · answered by syntheticaeroplane 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I can't comment on the beliefs of people who get their beliefs somewhere other than the Bible.
The Bible teaches that Baptism is NOT required for salvation.
The Bible teaches that very young children who die, this would include still borns, aborted children, and children who are born alive but die at a young age, are considered innocent by God and taken to heaven.
The most concrete evidence of that is a passage in 2nd Samuel chapter 12, about the death of a young child, the first born son to David and Bathsheba.
Where King David, a prophet says, "I will go to him but he will not return to me."
Here is the complete quote:
22 He answered, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."
Pastor Art
PS: This was not a still born child, he was at least 7 days old. Many believe the baby was exactly 7 days old when he died.
2007-06-12 00:18:10 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
The spirit does not enter the body of a baby until the 4th trimester. The spirit goes back and forth to heaven and if it decides that something is wrong, it aborts the mission before or during the first few days of birth. Crib death many times results by suffocation. Also by heart failure because we can not live without the spirit. So a baby can die if the spirit goes back. Reason for going back would be change in environment of parents. Some crib deaths are part of the Karmic debt the parent or parents receive because of past lives. Suppose you led an Indian raid on a settlement and killed a child. You may come into another life and have to loose your child. Life is too complicated to write everything in stone but these are some answers I have learned from reading. A baptism of a child only covers salvation for the child by the parents, until the child becomes of age to except Christ consciously. Some treat this as a dedication, not a baptism.
Rev. TomCat
2007-06-12 00:09:01 · answer #5 · answered by Rev. TomCat 6 · 0⤊ 4⤋
The still borns were alive at conception and therefore received a soul. They are in Heaven. Children are not responsible for their actions until the age of 12. Pops
2007-06-12 00:01:12 · answer #6 · answered by Pops 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
IF this
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IF that,
then, it waits.
Waiting makes people patient.
My friend's wife called her stillborn a "brown star" and wrote a beautiful poem about it and read it at the funeral. It is always a shame to see such a small casket, but the cosmos is large, and Matthew is not a name I will forget.
2007-06-12 00:05:30 · answer #7 · answered by Shinigami 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Catholics believe you can't go to heaven without being baptized.
But uhm
Purgatory doesn't exist.
Sorry to step on your toes, Catholics.
I just don't believe it and I haven't found scripture supporting it.
There's one Bible verse where King David says he won't ever see his son again, but he will go to him when he dies.
Because he had an affair with Bathsheba and Nathan was all, "CONFESSSS."
Then Bathsheba had a miscarriage and the baby died because God was punishing them.
So unborn/stillborn babies go to heaven, apparently.
2007-06-12 00:09:40 · answer #8 · answered by needlepoint_lace 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
No. Baptism is NOT the ticket to heaven; Confession of sin, repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the way.
Stillborns and children who die before attaining the age of maturity are automatically delivered to Christ.
2007-06-12 00:04:00 · answer #9 · answered by John 1:1 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I believe the soul enters at or very near actual birth.
2007-06-11 23:59:47 · answer #10 · answered by Gorgeoustxwoman2013 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋