i was listening to kirk cameron on a radio show in which he secretly tapes a druid ritual?

Question

he never tells them he's taping them, then puts certain parts of it on the radio. is this what christians consider to be moral? is it even legal?

i don't think christians would appreciate it if some pagans went and taped mass just to air on a pagan show to demean it.

john - which man are you referring to - kirk or the druid? they should both be entitled to their beliefs

kallan - you have a point, but while listening, it sounded pretty authentic. you can hear it at http://deos-shadow.com/

episode 32A

Answer 1

I went online and listened to this radio episode and I have to say if Christianity is the true religion then remind me not to ever convert. This show was offensive and very immature when you consider that first Kirk and company were taping someone's personal religious experience without permission and demeaning it piece by piece. In one point KC said that he asked some questions and the guy running the ceremony wanted to make sure that everyone felt comfortable and that no one religion or pantheon was excluded, which sounded to me that anyone who came (even a Christian) was included in this ritual. There was no denigration of Christians, but the "Christians" who were witnessing the abomination that was this ritual, laughed and made jokes about everything. I've never laughted at a Christian or their beliefs, no matter how stupid I feel they are and like Christians I hope that they can see that there is room for other religions and beliefs. Why are Christians like this and for all who say they aren't then why aren't you speaking out and showing your fellow Christians how to act?

Big question here. Who is this Ray Comfort? Is he Kirk's homosexual lover?

I think that this tape should be heard by a lawyer and this radio show sued for either falsifying Pagan Ritual to demean or defamation of Pagan character. Wiretapping is illegal, so why would this not be the same.

Peace on earth can never happen as long as you have people who claim to believe in peace only as long as everyone believes the same as they do.

I have said this before and I'll say it again. Most Pagans I have met are better Christians than Christians!

Answer 2

Sounded reasonably authentic. Can't say why they considered it "creepy" or anything - from what I could hear, it was a reasonably normal (if unfamiliar) tune they were singing. And, honestly, "vile liquid"?! Five bucks says that it was just fruit juice.

The legality of it depends on the state it was in, and how public of a ceremony it was. (If it was public, yeah, most likely legal.) Even if the taping was legal, there *might* potentially be a fraud issue as well, depending on how they got in.

The morality of it, though? Definitely shady, definitely poor manners - these folks allowed them to be there and ask all sorts of questions, to mock them about it afterwards is pretty rude. Even if you don't agree with someone's religious beliefs, showing them a little respect is never wrong.

Answer 3

Kirk Cameron is a nut-bag (as is his sister DJ from Full House). He's gone completely insane and runs some ministry that belittles and guilt-trips anyone who doesn't follow its beliefs. I would give you the link so you could see how absolutely ridiculous it is, but I would be promoting it.

His website even has a quiz called "are you a good person?" If you answer "yes" to questions such as "have you ever told a lie - even a little one in childhood?" then, according to the Cameron Ministry, you're a bad person and you must hurry up and repent via the ministry before you go to Hell you godless heathen!!!

I'm telling you, Kirk Cameron and his family are evil in the name of religion. Stay far, far away.

It's hard to believe that some people are that ***-backwards.

Answer 4

What more could they ask for!
Everybody loves free advertisements.
Look at fireball.
Because of all her clones she has become more famous.
The average person doesn't know a thing about this religion.
Now everybody will go out and buy a book on it.
Brett Kean, an atheist, also calls up Churches and tapes the conversation.
Is it wrong, probably, but like who cares.
All the atheists love watching Brett Keane owning Christians.
I think your getting worked up over nothing.
God Bless

Answer 5

I think the best response would be for the Druids to hire the actor that played Zack on Saved by the Bell to be their spokesman. He has exactly as much credibility as Cameron, and just like Kirk, no one could truly get upset over anything he did.

Answer 6

It's legal to tape a conversation as long as at least one person IN the conversation knows it's being taped.

Answer 7

He couldn't tape it if it wasn't already being broadcast, so its not like he's hacking to get it. No offense to Mr. Cameron, but from what I've heard recently, I really doubt he has the ability to hack into anything. Many church services are aired, so I doubt anyone would be real upset over it. I'm a christian, but I was totally disgusted by his display on tv, as I guess many of us are, so its also doubtful that he's got a really huge audience.

Answer 8

I can't answer for what Christians consider moral. I'm not sure individual Christians even have morals, since they generally don't think for themselves and guaranteed salvation ultimately relieves them of all responsibility for their actions.

Legal or not, moral or not, it is certainly despicable to make secret recordings of other people's religious activities and then expose them to public scrutiny. I'd be seriously pissed! (...and no, my Australian friends, I do not mean drunk.)

Answer 9

That's really odd. I admire Kirk and his willingness to stand up for his beliefs. But I really don't understand people of any religion who feel the need to bash or mock or in any way tear down another religion. If your message is good, just share it in a positive way, without spreading misinformation about a religion that you really don't know or understand if you aren't part of it.

Answer 10

It's certainly not ethical, but unfortunately, it is legal, assuming he's participating.
As long as one person knows they're being recorded, it's legal.