That ritual of drinking of the wine and the wafer, blood and body of Christ, actually has it's roots in paganism which of course most Catholics are unaware of.
Edit: Well Cathy I am sure that being a theology student gives you a board and unbiased perspective of Catholic Theology since you are studying it in the very environment that wrote the theology in the first place. Might be an idea to investigate some sources outside your limited spectrum of study.
2007-06-10 06:35:32
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answered by Fluffy Wisdom 5
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Yes, and of course, I'm right with the fact of the tooth fairy, santa claus, and batman ... aka the holy trinity, the theology of which all Christians have obviously got wrong.
The substance/accidens metaphysics which tran*substan*tiation comes from is based in Greek Aristotolian philosophy. When the rennaisance came, and the scholars had access to the original Greek philosophical literature upon which many other aspects of Catholic theology were also based, the Churches authority was deconstructed and also the wisdom of the initial pholosophy - it's spirit of rational enquery and logical argumentation - was used as a model, and there was a subsequent revolution in our way of approaching both the Church and the world around us.
A period called the Enlightenment followed which gave birth to a humanistic spirit and the scientific method.
Of course, since the church has been questioned no end of ill has befallen us. The germ theory of disease, the theory of evolution, the invention of the digital computer to name a few.
If only we could return to the good old days where people lived in the light of Christ, and knelt at the alter with fear and trembling.
Dominus Vobis C*m
Gloria In excelsis Deo Et in Terra Pax Hominibus Bonae Voluntatis
heh hehe, hold on, I could win some points here:
....the beautifull solemn masses in latin. I would listen to the scriptures with a sense of wonder and awe. There was nothing much more that I wanted, or more important to me, than that I be accepted into the Church and allowed to share in the blessed sacrament.
A partial account of a true period from my history. Look - I can sympathise a little, but not a lot at the moment - I have been to a church, and a Catholic one at that. Believe me big bruvver, I have believed, but just don't any more.I do not propose that I live in a better world than you, as I have experienced the "wonders of faith" or some of them at least. Believe me I used to pray my rosary in latin EVERY DAY, and go to every mass I could, but my faith went away.
When that faith goes (you'll admit it's a gift from God and I can't control God), when it goes... well, well, well we're back to the tooth fairy sarcasm of a atheists critique aren't we? We're back to the "no DNA in this wine" argument and the cautionary tales of herpes simplex found in the wafer. We're back to the "provide your evidence" hostility and emnity, and the reccolection of burning witches and thumb screws for heretical thinkers. That's life? That's life folks!
You say potato, I say potaato,
You say tomato, I say tomaato.
One of us is right and one of us is wrong.
Potato!
2007-06-11 15:33:20
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answered by Anonymous
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No, it is worse than you think.
We eat the body AND drink the blood of Jesus Christ.
This is a good question for the Feast of Corpus Christi (The Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ) today, June 10, 2007.
At the Last Supper, Jesus said, “Take this bread. It is my body.” Then he said, “Take this and drink. This is my blood. Do this in memory of me.”
Catholics believe this was the First Eucharist, that through a miracle the bread and wine actually became the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
Catholics reenact the Last Supper during every Mass, where God, acting through the priest, changes the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
This is a great sacrament of thanksgiving and unity of Catholics.
By the way, Lutherans and many Anglicans also believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Echarist.
With love in Christ.
2007-06-11 00:48:42
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answered by imacatholic2 7
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It is not a symbol nor is it a metaphor.
The act of transubstation of the Mass makes the wine wholely and completely Christ's body, blood, soul, and divintiy.
Those that say it is symbolic are either not Catholic or do not understand Catholic doctrine.
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Kenny taylor sound like your the one who need to learn what the bible says it says do not drink blood of an unclean scarifice (Christ was a clean sacrifice). Christ specifically ordered we drink his blood and eat his flesh.
Johnn 6
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
For my flesh IS true food, and my blood IS true drink
Nothing symbolic there. And if you read any of the Apostlic Fathers (those from the time of the apostles) they all confirm that is and was always the belief. In fact read Paul 1 Corinthians he talks about it being the REAL blood and the it MUST be drunk and his body MUST be eaten.
Nice try though. Seems like YOU neeed to READ your bible for yourself and not your "pastor's bible study" or "sunday school" class handouts
Fluffy twin is wrong to as well as so many others but hey most people don;t actually take the time to study or think for themselves. But they seem to have plenty of time to act superior and talk about things they have no understanding or education or training in. Which makes alot of the answers really comical and good for a laugh.
Reply to Fullytwin:
Well Fluffy Twin i took my undergrad religious studies minor at a SECULAR state university. Thank you very MUCH. The Didache from 60's CE clearly lays out the Eucharist. As well as Justin Martyr's First Apology and many others.
Yes I am aware that Mithra's followers shared a holy meal. However were you aware that Mithraism, although certainly far older with it's connection to Zoasterianism and coming out of the Vedas, was not at it's height of influence in the Roman empire until close to 300 CE and writings on the Eucharist date back to the Didache (60) and Justin Martyr (153) and Tertullian, Ireanus, Cyprian, and many others who saw some similarities and denied them stressing the differences. So there is far to little ecvidence to suggest it came out of Mithraism and no one can claim to know with less then 500 or 600 fragments written about Mithraism. So we are left to ponder the differences expressed byt the early Fathers of the day and study those as they are what we have to study.
Mithra sacrificed a bull and it is that sacrifice they eat, Christianity eats the body and blood of Christ.
HOLY MEALS go back to time immortal, it was the significance Christ put on it as offering himself a willing sacrifice that makes the Eucharist different. Mithra offered all the same previous sacrifices as all other religions.
See in Catholic Theology we have to at least partially study the Theology of ALL religions and religious practices. No brainwashing here.
2007-06-10 13:55:01
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answered by Anonymous
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Yes, Holy Eucharist is the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself commands us of this in John chapter 6, it is totally obvious but SO many so called "Christians" don't believe in this madatory doctrine.
The Church has called this miracle "transsubstantiation." When the priests says, as Christ did at the Last Supper, "This is My Body.....this is My Blood" then the bread and wine are no longer bread and wine, but only under the appearance of them. They become the true Body and Blood of Christ, which is the pinnacle of Christian life because Jesus said He would always be with us. So, if He is always with us, and Jesus is not a spirit (as He proved to Thomas in the Gospels, notably John), then He must be with us in REAL flesh and blood. Like I stated, Jesus is not a spirit - the spirit that is with us is the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Holy Trinity, Who was sent by the Father and the Son. This is totally necessary for Christian life, and is the central point of it. For those who don't do this, I would strongly recommend becoming a part of the Catholic Church and starting. The early Christians recieved Holy Eucharist (obviously, because it is commanded by Christ), this is why they were labeled as cannibals by the Roman and Jewish authorities of the era.
By the way, whoever said that the Catholic Church uses grape juice doesn't know what they are talking about. The Church uses grape WINE before it is transformed into the Blood of Christ.
** And yes, there have been many occurances of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, still under the appearance of bread and wine, becoming actual flesh and blood. There is an account of a woman not eating her Communion and instead put it in her purse. On her way home, she noticed that the bottom of her purse was soaked with blood from an actual piece of flesh.
EDIT: ((( kait ))) Your view on the Holy Eucharist couldn't be more wrong. Instead of reading a book by some wayward Protestant, why don't you try to see what the Church ITSELF teaches about the Eucharist before making such a bogus and totally untrue claim. We are not "re-sacrificing" Jesus at every Eucharist, this is absurd. The Holy Eucahrist is the re-presentation of that one time, once and for all perfect sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Get your facts straight. Also try reading your Bible, because in John chapter 6 Jesus tell us to do this, and He couldn't possibly make it more obvious.
2007-06-10 13:55:13
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answered by Nic B 3
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During Communion, Catholics receive the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Dear Lord, Christ Jesus. Either form (the bread or the wine) contains the above. So yes, Catholics receive the Blood of Christ. Oh, and it is the actual Blood of Christ...NOT a symbol or rememberance...there was an occasion when a priest consecrated the Body and Blood, and it actually showed that it was the Body and Blood (normally, it continues to be under the looks of bread and wine)...and it's still available today...when I find the name of the town in Italy, I'll edit this.
2007-06-10 13:36:53
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answered by InLoveWithCHRIST 2
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Saying and thinking the Eucharist is the supernaturally transmigrated blood and body of Jesus is pure blasphemy. Are you telling me each and every priest has the power over Jesus to command Him to come down from Heaven every mass to inhabit a little wafer and a tenth of an ounce of juice/wine? If they were that influential, why the heck don't they do more with Jesus than that? The world could be wonderfully changed!
No man has power over Jesus in that way. Imagine! Man in control of God! Ha!
Communion is celebrated because He wants us to remember His tremendous sacrifice in that it was His blood and His body and not OUR blood and our body that paid for our sins.
It is a pagan ritual to eat the body and drink the blood to gain power from the dead. It has no place in a Christian's practice.
Besides, Jesus didn't say He would enter you if you ate His blood and His body, but said the Holy Spirit would enter you when you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Catholics with a pagan mindset are playing "church" instead of serving Christ.
2007-06-11 10:39:58
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answered by Michael 4
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I am a believer in the Real Presence of the Eucharist - and look forward to receiving the Body and Blood of Christ each week on the Lord's Day.
2007-06-11 14:35:59
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answered by Daver 7
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i am very right with it, if the bible is true then the catholic practice and belief in the eucharist is true. try www.scripturecatholic.com
the early church fathers and early christians knew this, the eucharist can be found all over the bible, the old testament, the gospels and the rest of the new testament. if you understand salvation history and gods covenant plan this concept wouldn't be so hard to grasp. you can study for free regarding this at www.salvationhistory.com
2007-06-11 04:45:46
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answered by fenian1916 5
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A lot of Christians symbolically drink Jesus' blood and eat his body, as commanded. Pseudo-cannibalism is not just limited to Catholics. Funny how Satanists and Pagans have a bad rep for such things, when THEY DON'T actually do anything of the sort.
2007-06-10 13:38:41
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answered by gelfling 7
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