Is the trinity true?

Question

If the trinity wasn't true then why is it that in the old testament GOD says (LET "US" CREATE MAN IN "OUR" IMAGE)
GENESIS CHAPTER 1 VERSE 26.

Answer 1

Why I can’t believe in the royal we, idea to Genesis 1:26 and 3:22,

If Jehovah talked with the royal we or us, etc, why did He only do it only 4-5 times.

Why didn’t He or doesn’t He continue to do to so through out the bible.

Why didn’t He use the royal we at Gen. 1:29, 30 only 3 verses later, or Gen. 2:18, Gen. 3:11, 15
and through out the rest of the bible? Why at Isa. 6:8, does Jehovah say “Whom shall I send”?

Job 38:4-7 shows that the angels were existing at the creation of man, so Jehovah wasn’t alone and had many spirit creatures to talk to.

Instead, which sounds more real and truthful, that Jehovah was talking to someone who is His Master Worker, His Firstborn Son, His Faithful Witness, who is His image, His exact representation, OR He was talking to Himself. (Prov. 8:30; Heb. 1:3; Col 1:15)

Bible scholar Donald E. Gowan said “There is no support in the O[ld] T[estament] for most of the proposed explanations: the royal ‘we,’ the deliberative ‘we,’ the plural of fullness, or an indication of a plurality of persons in the Godhead.

Why does the word Elohim according to Strong’s Cyclopaedia, when it applies to Jehovah means Supreme God, not Gods? Even when this word is applied to Moses (Ex. 4:16 & 7:1) it doesn’t mean that there are 3 Moses, it doesn’t even mean there are 2 Moses.

(Side point when Jesus said if you see me you see the Father, it is because he is the image of God, the exact representation of his Father. When you see an image in a mirror you are seeing a representation, not the actual person. Col 1:15)

(Side point, According to my college dictionary, begotten means “to be born”, to be born means “brought into life or being” when was Jesus brought into life, when he came to life as a baby? No, as Jehovah’s Firstborn of creation Col. 1:15; Rev 3:14)

footnote in The New Revised Standard Version Study Bible we read:

"Gen 1.26-27 Let us. The plural form does not indicate multiple gods, but God and the retinue of the divine court."

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Answer 2

Trinity is not true. It was created by human. This happened because we human have limited brain ability. We can't really understand God. And we need something physical to represent God. This is where trinity and idolatry come from. When someone say God, most people will not be able to understand it. But when someone say Jesus or maybe some idols, people will have the image of the person or idol. They find it a lot easier to comprehend. So, trinity is not real.

And as for the "Let Us create...", here's a hypothesis:
God is inviting all His creation to join in together to create human. Afterall, God created creation so that creation will know Him and worship Him. So, here He invited His creations to elevate themselves, to see in His perspective, to feel His power and greatness. Through this, the creations get to know the beauty of the Creator. Thus producing a feeling of love and awe towards the Creator, God.

Answer 3

there are various distinctive ideals approximately what the Trinity potential. The term "3 persons" is confusion and isn't any longer scriptural. interior the 1st answer above, no longer a type of verses makes the Holy Spirit someone, become independent from the father. the father is who God is; the Holy Spirit is what God is. whilst the father sends the Holy Spirit, he's no longer sending one among 3 persons; he's sending his very own substance. The Bible it seems that says God is a Spirit; John 4:24. Jesus is God in guy; John one million:one million-14, John 14:8-9, Colossians 2:8-10. in case you compromise for precisely what the Bible says quite of what men say, it makes lots extra sense. the father isn't a ingredient of God; it incredibly is a designation of God's function concerning his creation, and to the Son of God. Jesus is rather the Son of God.

Answer 4

no the trinity is not true, it is a doctrine made up by men a long time after the apostles of Jesus had all died, the bible clearly tells us not to accept doctrines that mankind makes up which does not come from the Scriptures.
The Scriptures which the apostles and Jesus was always referring to is what we call the old testament, not the new testament - which wasn't even written yet.
If you really want to see if a doctrine which is suppose to be coming from the new testament , is true or not - look in the old testament and see if you can find that doctrine there. if you can't then it is not what the apostles or Jesus taught, or believed.
Nowhere in the old testament is a man equal to GOD! ! and its not in the new testament either , no matter how much mankind tries to twist the scriptures! !

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Answer 5

No.

GOD says (LET "US" CREATE MAN IN "OUR" IMAGE)

In the Bible quote above, if you didn't already believe in the trinity, would you automatically assume that "us" and "our" MUST mean three? I don't think so. BTW, did you bother to look in the very next verse? If you did you might have noticed that it said: "So God created man in HIS own image, in the image of God created HE him, male and female created HE them." Do you think that God went from three persons to one person in just one verse?

I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

Answer 6

It is, of course, VERY obvious that God “the Father” exists. He created the world. Next,
the Bible says in John 8:58, “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before
Abraham was, I am.” Abraham WAS (past tense); I AM (present tense)... Christ has existed all
along. Also, the name “I Am” is the name that God the Father used with Moses to prove from
whom Moses’ message came. Christ now asserts that name for himself. More verses I use to
support Christ’s deity is John 1:1 which says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
with God, and the Word was God.” Then the beginning of verse 14 says, “And the Word was
made flesh, and dwelt among us...” Who was made flesh and dwelt among men? Jesus! (1 John
4:2). So now, I have proven that God the Father exists and God the Son exists, how do we prove
the Holy Spirit exists? Well, we clearly see that God the Father and God the Son seem to be
separate beings when Christ says many times that the Father has sent Him, yet Christ also claims
that “I and my Father are one” in John 10:30. Now we just need to see how the Holy Spirit
comes into the picture. Matthew 3:16-17 places all three of them in one picture as separate
beings! It says, “16And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and,
lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and
lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am
well pleased.” Here we see Jesus in the water, the Holy Spirit descending as a dove, and God the
Father is still in Heaven calling out that Christ is His Son... all three are clearly separate beings,
yet one God! (Another scripture used to support this doctrine is John 1:32-36). So, as you can
see, the Bible clearly teaches the doctrine of the Trinity, and I don’t in any way undermine or
deny that.

Answer 7

Often kings refer to themselves in this way. The word for God in Hebrew ( Elohim) is plural, so the statement likely indicates that God was taking counsel with Himself.

This may also hint at the mystery of the Trinity--in the unity of God there is plurality.

Some think this describes God speaking to His heavenly court of angels.

The above comes from my study Bible. I have anguished over this for many years, The Trinity.
I believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Perhaps it's my simple ignorance but I see Them as individuals working toward the same goal. I know God is supernatural and can do all things.
But why would He come to earth as Jesus then talk to Himself as God which He does many times in the Bible?

For all of you who know me, forgive my in comprehensiveness.

Answer 8

Yes, there is a trinity, just not what is currently being taught as "The Father, Son, & Holy Spirit"...it's more like "Father, Mother, Child" or more specifically, "God, Goddess, Creation".

The Mother Goddess, as well as most of the female authors, were stripped from Biblical writings when Constantine was in process of editing & compiling the texts of today's predominantly accepted version. If you'd like more info on the stories that were recovered for print, and the Goddess side of the balance, check out the Gnostic texts...very interesting.

Answer 9

"The Lord Our God is One Lord"

ORIGIN OF THE TRINITY
The original teachings of Christ shone forth with wonderful radiance
into the darkness of the Roman world. The Gospel in the beginning was
preached in plain terms by simple men, and it was received with
gladness by the meek of the earth. The twelve apostles of Jesus
Christ, as long
as they lived, were the guardians of faith, keeping it pure from
human traditions and Pagan influence. Few Christians realize how
rapidly corruption entered the church after their death.

We are told by historians that the church conquered the world, but in
reality the world overcame the
church. As the Gospel message increased in popularity, hordes of
Pagans entered the church, bringing with them Pagan ideas. Great
catechetical schools were formed; ritualism took the place of Bible
study; and costly buildings replaced the catacombs. The pastors of
the flock, once noted for self-sacrifice and piety, became wealthy
lords over the common people. The sacred heritage
of the Bible was buried in creeds, superstition, and forgotten
languages; and the ruling powers eventually made it a capital crime
to translate the Bible into the common tongue.

Sola Scriptura was the rallying cry of the great Reformation, when
the Bible was exalted by Protestants as the sole guide of faith. The
Catholic doctrine of tradition as an equal authority in religious
matters was at that time firmly rejected. Evangelical Christians ever
since have relied (theoretically) on the Bible alone as the source of
revealed truth, but in practice they seldom
measured up to that high standard.

Thus "historic Christianity," "historic Protestantism," and various
other euphemisms for tradition are frequently cited in the writings
of Protestants as authority for doctrinal positions. We hear them
saying that nothing more can be known about basic Christianity than
is outlined in the conflicting creeds of established churches; and
that to assert any really different opinion about
the Holy Scriptures now would be presumptuous, for so many
generations of pious Christians could surely not be wrong.
This traditionalism is a serious error. The necessity for upholding
the Bible as the only touchstone of truth is manifest throughout
church history, particularly as we consider the various Christian
teachings on the nature of the Deity—a subject which, though
certainly of cardinal
importance, has been one of the most hotly debated issues in the
history of the church.

Trinitarianism a Gradual Development

The concept of a trinity was widespread throughout the Pagan world.
In Japan there was a three-headed divinity called "San Pao Fuh": in
India the trinity was called, "Eko Deva Trimurtti," "One God, three
forms." The Babylonians also had a trinity, as did the Pagans of
Siberia, Persia, Egypt, and Scandinavia. Long after the apostles
died, the teaching that God is a trinity began to be introduced into
the Christian church. It was championed chiefly by the educated
converts from Paganism and resisted by ordinary believers. "The
victory of orthodoxy was a triumph of priests and theologians over
the indeed deeply rooted faith of the people...."* That the Father
and the Son are equal, however, was at first denied by all. Early
church writers, such as Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian,
Origen, Novatian, Arnobius, and Lactantius. were very explicit in
affirming that the Heavenly Father alone is the supreme God and that
Jesus is
completely subordinate to his authority and will.
* * [ [A Adolf H Harnack, Outlines of the History of Dogma, trans. E.
K. Mitchell (Starr King Press), l 957, p. 266. (A Trinitarian
source.)]

During the early years of the fourth century, a heated controversy
raged between the Arians (named after Arius, their leader and the
Trinitarians, led by Athanasius. The Arians maintained that Jesus is
a created being, pre-existent, though having a beginning in time, a
son in the normal sense of the word, and subordinate to the Father.
The Athanasian party argued that the Son is
fully God, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father.

Fearing that religious dissension might disrupt the political unity
of the Empire, the Emperor Constantine summoned a general council of
bishops to settle the dispute. Meeting at Nice in 325 A.D., the
council upheld the teachings of Athanasius and formulated the Nicene
Creed. Arius was excommunicated and banished, along with those of the
bishops who held out against the decision of the majority and the
threats of the Emperor.

The basic Trinitarian position was finally forged at the Council of
Constantinople, A.D. 381, where the Holy Spirit was declared to be a
divine person, although Harnack states that in the third century the
majority of Christians believed it was merely a divine power.* At the
Council of Ephesus, A.D. 431, and again at Chalcedon in 450 A.D.,
Jesus was asserted to be eternally both
human and divine, a unity of two natures. The Council of Ephesus,
incidentally, added Mary as a supplement to the Trinity, declaring
that she should be received and honored as Theotokos, "Mother of God."
[* Ibid., p. 266.]

Thus the controversy on the nature of God was settled, or so orthodox
historians would have us believe. And thus, we are told, the Holy
Spirit guided the church into an understanding of the truth. In point
of fact, however, these councils, settled very little. Other councils
met as well and upheld Arianism! The fortunes of both sides seesawed
according to the politics of the Empire.
Whenever the Arians were dominant, they persecuted the Trinitarians;
and when their fortunes were reversed, the Trinitarians persecuted
them. The eventual result was not so much the outcome of rational
debate and pious scholarship as of power politics and shedding of
blood. By
the start of the eighth century, Arianism was externally suppressed,
for the Trinitarians, (* McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia of
Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature Grand Rapids:
Baker
Book House, Vol. 1, p. 392, 1895. A Trinitarian source.),
proved to be more efficient in killing the Arians than the latter
were in killing them. Thus was orthodoxy established. And the most
avid defender of holy tradition cannot deny that, had the Arians been
militarily successful, their position would have become the standard
of orthodoxy instead of that of their opponents.


The Trinitarian consensus, imposed by force of arms, related more to
a formula than to the actual
substance of belief. The doctrine of the Trinity was simultaneously
declared to be a deep mystery,
which nobody can understand, and a dogma which must be accepted to
obtain salvation. Artists pictured their beliefs with varied
representations. Some portrayed the Deity as three separate men,
looking alike; others, as three men distinguished. Still others
represented it as three heads on one body, or three faces on one head.

Evangelical Modifications

Since the latter part of the nineteenth century, the Trinitarian
position has come under searching criticism throughout the world. To
meet these attacks, evangelicals have been modifying their doctrinal
formulations. Thus Dr. R. A. Torrey, recent Superintendent of the
Moody Bible Institute, has advanced a subordinationist view, stating
that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate
persons, co-eternal but not co-equal. The Father, according to Dr.
Torrey, is superior to the Son, and the Holy Spirit is subordinate to
both.*
[* R. A. Torrey, The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit (Grand
Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House), 1910.]

Another area of modification by contemporary Trinitarians is relative
to three gods in one or "three persons in one substance." Walter R.
Martin, of the Christian Research Institute, modifies this point with
the following definition:
Within the unity of the one God, there are three persons—the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and these three share the same nature
and attributes. In effect, then the three persons are the one God.
Similarly, in an essay entitled "The Triune God," published by
Christianity Today,* the term "substance" used in the Athanasian
Creed is modified. This Creed was affirmed by Catholics and
Protestants for many centuries. However, this essay concedes that the
formula of the trinity often read "three persons in one substance
(Greek, treis hypostaseis en mia ousia, and Latin, tres personae in
una substantia )"
[* Samuel J. Mikolaski, "The Triune God" (Christianity Today), p. 5.]

There is, thus, no uniform Christian position on the nature of God.
Reliance upon human tradition has been a great source of difficulty
to many Christians who are earnestly seeking to understand God's
Word. The divinely inspired Scriptures are the only valid evidence for
Christian belief, and any objective appraisal of their teaching must
include all scriptures pertinent to any subject, i.e., the earnest
student of God's Word must be willing to harmonize the Scriptures,
not merely selecting those verses which seem to support his position
while ignoring the rest. Only thus can a Christian be "a workman that
needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing
the word of truth."—2 Tim. 2:15

In summation, the following facts regarding the origin of the Trinity
are irrefutable:
1. The word "Trinity" nowhere appears in the Bible.
2. The word "Trinity" does not even appear in Christian literature
till the beginning of the third century. Even then, it meant
something very different from the interpretation now given to the
word. Tertullian, the first to use the word, believed that only the
Father was without beginning.
The Son, according to him, had a beginning, and his pre-human
existence was of the angelic nature. The oneness of the Father and
the Son was a oneness of purpose and will.
3. Trinitarians themselves are forced to concede that the doctrine of
the Trinity was not completely forged until the fourth century.
4. There is not even a hint of the Trinity in the Old Testament. The
Jews, God's chosen people
from old Testament times, have never held this belief. In all of the
voluminous rabbinical writings (Talmud) which date from Old Testament
times, neither the Trinity nor any similar concept is once mentioned.

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Answer 10

Not only that verse but Collosians 1 says Jesus was there at creation, all things were created through him,John 1 says he was there at creation and was with God and was God.Hebrews 1 says all the worlds were created by Jesus.Only a God could create.Phillipians says He was equal to God .Peter says to Annanias,in Acts5 that he had lied to the Holy Spirit,he had not lied to man but to God.
1x1x1=1 God in 3 persons,1 what 3 whos.
Sometimes it is tough to wrap our brain around it.All 10% of it.