If Noah only took certain 'kinds' of animals onto the ark....?

Question

why are is there such variation within these 'kinds'? Is it proof of evolution?

Answer 1

Yep.

Look the ark floated hundreds of thousands of years ago. Remember that in Genesis "father" often means "forefather" so it spans a very long time.

Answer 2

A number of cultures all over the world have flood stories because there have been floods in many different places. No doubt the Noah flood was a large but local one. However if you did not have the ability to travel more that 100 or so miles it could well seem that the whole world was flooded. It is now believed that the Gilgamesh or Noah flood was in or around the Black Sea and caused by the rising levels of the Mediterranean and the Sea of Marmara finally bursting through a natural dam where the Bosporus now is and rapidly raising the level in the Black Sea flooding the settlements around the shores . If Gilgamesh or Noah saved the animals it would be the animals known in the area at the time and probably only those that were domesticated. Of course these stores get distorted and exaggerated with retelling over time. The story is myth based on some history and unrelated to evolution
That stuff Dunc is trying to tell you is nonsense. The books recommended are not really worth reading. The explanation does not go anywhere near explaining the marsupials in Australia or that the only native mammals in New Zealand are bats

Answer 3

Noah was not commanded to take two, or seven, of every species into the ark, but every kind, which would shrink considerably the numbers of animals onboard the ark. A biblical “kind” is not necessarily the same as the biologists’ “species,” but can (and generally does) have a much broader classification.

They were put on the ark to preserve the continuation of their "kind".

To answer your last question, if you are talking about macro evolution, then yes, that is possible. It could also be called, adaptation. This is when an animals evolves or adapts to its surroundings. It can also also refer to inner-species breeding.

It would NOT include cross-species evolution which is where the evolution theory breaks down without a shred of proof.

Answer 4

sorry for the length but it does answer your question

The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah.

These estimates may seem too restrictive to some, especially since such sources as The Encyclopedia Americana indicate that there are upwards of 1,300,000 species of animals. (1977, Vol. 1, pp. 859-873) However, over 60 percent of these are insects. Breaking these figures down further, of the 24,000 amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals, 10,000 are birds, 9,000 are reptiles and amphibians, many of which could have survived outside the ark, and only 5,000 are mammals, including whales and porpoises, which would have also remained outside the ark. Other researchers estimate that there are only about 290 species of land mammals larger than sheep and about 1,360 smaller than rats. (The Deluge Story in Stone, by B. C. Nelson, 1949, p. 156; The Flood in the Light of the Bible, Geology, and Archaeology, by A. M. Rehwinkel, 1957, p. 69) So, even if estimates are based on these expanded figures, the ark could easily have accommodated a pair of all these animals.

Answer 5

There is a difference. We believe that there is variation with kinds. Just look at dogs and wolves and the many variations within that kind.

However, what we do not agree with is that a lizard turned into a bird, a fish into a lizard, or a microbe spontaneously appeared.

Answer 6

He would have had to have a bloody big ark, seeing how two new animals have just been discovered, hence a miniature elephant and a miniature rhino

I prefer smaller animals such as Ferrets and European Polecats

Answer 7

yes Noah did take certain kinds of animals on the ark

and there has been variations within these kinds-it proves evolution within kind-
It is hard for the atheist to prove-that everything came from nothing-on a certain date and more was created with age in the ions of time, when all at once by accident the first living kind appeared-molecules accidently came together formed a cell wall, digestive system, and became alive by accident including having an accidental dna within to perfectly only reproduce within that kind-one cell ameoba. and had a billion perfect accidents with dna's changing by accident and turning into a human being-with the eye developing from a sun spot. Unless one is into comedy.

this is what helped me to believe the creator and our purpose as made in the image and ability to know God personally=one I was going to commit suicide having everthing I wanted as a Jew with money.

and the reason is because I finally believed the prophecies and prayed- "Jesus I am sorry for my sins, come into my heart and help me, be my friend, amen."
He said he would in Revelation 3:19&20 "I love you, and ask you to repent from your sins quickly and turn to me, Behold I stand at your heart door and knock, if you open the door asking me in, I will come in and be your friend."

this is why I came to believe Jesus=As a Jew I was taught Jesus was a liar, yet as I read the Jewish prophecies of the Messiah I had to chose if I would continue to believe a lie or to believe the truth.

A proof of the Bible being the Word of God and not tampered with is the fact that these prophecies are in the Jewish scriptures -while the Jewish people apart from Messianic Judaism say if you believe them your not Jewish any more!

"Unto us A CHILD IS BORN, A Son is given, and he will be almighty God, the prince of peace." Isaiah 9:6

"He will be exalted. Yet he will be marred more than any man.
All we like sheep have gone astray and the sins of us all will be put upon him. He will be despised and rejected. He will lay down his life to make atonement for our sins. He will die with the wicked and be burried with the rich. He will see his seed and prosper." Isaiah 52:13-53:12

ARE YOU THE SEED OF JESUS?= JOHN 3 Jesus said repent of sin and be born again. worked for me to know the Lord and understand we are created after our kind=humans in the image of God.

yes animals can have variations within kind, David

Answer 8

He took 7 of each and every sparkling and 2 of unclean Genesis 7:2 You shall take with you seven each and every of each and every sparkling animal, a male and his lady; 2 each and every of animals that are unclean, a male and his lady; 3 additionally seven each and every of birds of the air, lady and male, to maintain the species alive on the face of each and every of the earth. 4 For after seven greater days i will reason it to rain on earth 40 days and 40 nights, and that i will smash from the face of the earth all residing issues that I actual have made." 5 And Noah did in accordance to all that the LORD commanded him.

Answer 9

No, I don't think so. I live in an apartment complex that has a lake. All sorts of ducks on it, and they live there year around. It's always fun, in the springtime, to see the new little ducklings, and watch them grow up. What's interesting is the mutation of feather color, etc. in just one "generation". So, over the course of thousands of years, I don't think there's any surprise of the variation within a species.

Answer 10

The story that we have of Noah and the flood is just that -- a story. Oh, it might have roots in a real and historical flood that happened in the past, but the details of the story are not necessarily to be taken literally. IMO, the story has nothing to say about evolution. Rather, it tells us that when people remain faithful to God, God saves and protects those people; when we reject God in our lives, we reject the very source of our salvation as we are cast to-and-fro amid life's oceans and storms.