Did you notice how xians are bothered by Abe Lincoln?

Question

I've seen questions asked here, highlighting the facts that Lincoln was not a xian, but a deist.

Also pointing out that he was the man behind the movement that initiated the steps to abolish slavery and culminate with the Emanciapation Proclamation -- taking slavery and "owning people" away from the disgusting southern conservative xians who used to use bible scripture to justify their ownership of slaves.

These facts seem to make xians on the board upset! Why is that? I've notice it many times but I don't understand it...

If you go to the Smithsonian, you'll see Civil War era and Reformation era posters that southern conservative xians used to post all over the south, full of bible scripture that they were using to justify owning slaves. It's no secret!

So, what's the deal? Why does the truth of our history make so many xians here angry??

i don't expect many believers will answer this... so far, i'm right about that, too.

rossonero_2006: sorry, but i told you where to go look, what my source was. the smithsonian. sorry -- i can't post a link -- sometimes, history is something you have to go visit in person, see it and touch it. But, i expect your travels will be limited to weekly church visits and an occasional stop at the creation museum to see dinosaurs on your little Ark... Can't help ya with that kind of stuff, bro. Sometimes you have to help yourself. Cheers!

PHYLLIS!!

YIKES people! Of course Lincoln couldn't make it all go away with one fell swoop. Trying to would have ended his political career. Look at today. It's 2007 now. And we can't get xians to stop hating gays! And it's 2007!!! Xian hatred takes EONS to eradicate now -- how do you think it was 150 years ago!!! YIKES people!! THINK!!!!

Answer 1

I hear you...and the largest protestant denomination...the Southern Baptists were founded on the basis of slavery...they broke from the northern Baptists, because they thought slavery was ordained by God.

Southern Baptists just apologized for their role in slavery in 1995! Why no one else finds this terribly wrong is beyond me..how anyone can know this and continue to follow this church's doctrine is beyond me.

Answer 2

Lincoln may have been a deist and he was certainly president during the Civil War and he certainly signed the Emancipation Proclamation.
BUT his "steps" to free the slaves were not driven by thoughts of equality of human life. Instead, those were political moves by a man who, among other things, also said, "If I could win this war without freeing a single slave, I would." As the Southern states had already formed their own government by the time the Emancipation Proclamation was issued, he didn't really free those slaves either. He had no power to do so. Again, a political move... the Civil War wasn't over slavery but over the Industrialization of the United States. If Lincoln's goals were pure rationalistic, if he were the good deist (and person) you're touting him to be, he would've freed the slaves in the Union territories. He didn't. In fact, he permitted those states still loyal to the Union - and the good, deists within those states - to maintain their systems of slavery. (And those Slave Owners were deists and Christians alike.) Further, it is a historical fact that the slaves were not freed by the E.P. but by the ratification of the 13th Amendment.

While a great politician, Lincoln's actions were not as laudable as you portray them to be - regardless of his deism. So, perhaps we Christians are "bothered" and angry because we prefer history to be truthful and not slanted.

Answer 3

Nice try,but the history of slavery in America indicates it was introduced and developed by jews,not Christians. The first jews to reside here were let in reluctantly to New Amsterdam after being booted out of Recife in South America for slaving practices that even by the standards of the era made normal people sick; the ruins of their trading facilitites still exist. After arrival here they quickly made their way south and established another thriving slave trade,which went on to become the dominant feature of the southern economy. Many Christians owned slaves,but they didn't invent or bring this vile practice to America. In the Civil War,Pres. David was merely a figurehead; the real power was the Secretary of State,the very jewish former Sen. Judah Benjamin. Many wealthy Christians owned slaves but you can't buy what isn't being marketed and the slave traffickers were predominately jewish. Benjamin's fellow jew in the Senate before the war was Sen. David Yulee,another fire-breathing pro-slaver. So were the two jews in the House. New York's longtime jewish governor Herbert Lehman was the grandson of slavers; his father grew up being waited on by slaves. As to the passages you reference they are all from the hebrew scriptures. I see you are consumed with a vitriolic hatred of Christians; yet I somehow do not have the impression of a routine sort of atheist. Perhaps there is some better religion you might care to suggest. In any event,anything by a Black historian will give a better picture of slavery than the above - particularly on the religious background.

Answer 4

Yes, Lincoln was probably a deist. Or maybe even in his earlier years an agnostic.
Unfortunately he only used the "free the slaves" excuse so that he could take over the South, before they left the Union.
Nothing very noble there. He was a war mongrel, whatever religion or lack of it he professed to be.

Answer 5

I am not a xian, don't know any and I keep hearing people talk about them here but don't think I've ever come across one.
Abe does not bother me, he's dead. Not everyone who owned a slave was Christian. It does not matter to me what Abe believed.

Hell, read up about the Mormons in Utah, they had slaves only they didn't discriminate, you only had to be a apostate (non-Mormon) to be enslaved by them.

Answer 6

Which "xians"? Links to examples? Although I doubt your premise, even if it were actually true I would be happy that at least the deist freed the slaves, resolved the civil war and had a great vision for reunifying the country.

UPDATE: Phyliss, I was asking for links to an "xian" getting upset at your premise on Y!A. Those shouldn't be so difficult for you to find again, assuming they actually exist.

Answer 7

I don't know because I have no idea what a xian is. If your refering to Christians your notation is ridiculous since you want to attack them but remove the reason they believe what they do. That's removing the point of your entire statement.

Answer 8

The self-proclaimed voice of religion Fireball226 is not bothered about slavery...so there you have it...don't care won't care!

Answer 9

I get bored with your diatribes against Southern people. Abe Lincoln was no deity, he was a politician.

Answer 10

They don't like history, it takes away from their fantasies of a grand old past before the non-believers started ruining everything.