Why christians can´t prove that Michael was the name of Jesus before came to earth?

Question

The bible is a book that gives information, and that information in this case is that Jesus was a son that God sent (John 3:16) but how many sons has God? millions, because all angels are sons of God according to Job 1:6, 2:1 and existed before humans (Job 38:4-7).
The bible said that Jesus is the firstson of God (Colossians 1:15-17) so he is the first of that sons, that is why you see in Rev. 12:7 that Jesus (michael) is the chief of the angels and that is why the book of Revelation 10:1 describe Jesus as a powerful angel, and also the bible says his voice is the voice of archangel (1 Thessal.4:16), the bible call Jesus the angel of covenant in Malachi 3:1-3.

Notice how the bible in Isaiah 9:6 said that he is a prince of peace a mighty god and if you read the book of Daniel 12:1 explain that Michael the great prince will bring a great tribulation and people will be rise from dead and the only that can do that is Jesus.
why if that information is in your bible you don´t believe

so 200 verse against one that is mistranslated because in the greek text the second time god was written was did it small letter, i can prove, even in the internet you can found it.

Where in the bible ention more archangel? show me.

so why God compare Jesus with angels do you compare things of different species. for example which is better a BMW or a computer, is not logical you copmare BMW with Honda or Toyota, no with a computer.

Answer 1

Jesus is NOT Michael.

It's not an angel of covenant it's a MESSENGER of covenant....
it also refers to the messenger/angel leading the way, which would be John the Baptist. If Jesus is a literal angel, than
John the Baptist is too. BUT, we know that John the Baptist did NOT have the same pre-existence as Jesus did, because he talks about not knowing
who Jesus was...if they were both pre-existing, they would know each other (John 1:32-34)... just as the demons knew who Jesus was (Mark 1:24-25)
Malachi 3:1-6 should be compared with Isaiah 40: 3-5, Matthew 3: 1-3, Mark 1:1-3,
Luke 3: 3,4, and John 1:23

Michael and Jesus are BOTH in heaven.
Daniel 10:13 clearly says that Michael is ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES.
This means there are others with Michael's authority.
NO ONE has Jesus' authority.
Jesus can cast out devils and demons by HIMSELF (Mark 1:24-25, Luke 4:8-13) and even refers to Himself as the God of Satan.
Michael, however, must ask the Lord to cast out devils and demons (Jude 1:9)

Further,it is clear that the Father was the ONLY CREATOR. He was ALONE, he created BY HIMSELF.
Isaiah 44:24-Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he
that formed thee from the womb,***** I am the LORD that maketh ALL
THINGS; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE; that spreadeth abroad the
earth BY MYSELF; *****
Colossians 1:16-18- ****For by him were ALL THINGS
created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,
whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS
were created BY HIM, and FOR HIM: 17 And he is before ALL THINGS, and by him
ALL THINGS consist. ******And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the
firstborn from the dead; that in ALL THINGS he might have the preeminence
(Note that firstborn = preeminence, therefore Colossians 1:15 firstborn also means preeminence)

Answer 2

You are making an assertion. Assertions are not facts. It is simply not true that "JW's do not believe Jesus is Jesus but the Arch Angel Michael in disguise." Please give us the date and the page of any of our publications that makes such a statement. That is what YOU say we believe. It is not what we believe. Therefore, your question has no real bearing on whether or not Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians. If your question were honest, you would honestly represent what Jehovah's Witnesses believe, and not post distortions. The Bible calls Israel, Jacob also. Was Jacob no longer Jacob because he was also given the name Israel? Was Simon bar-Jonah no longer Simon bar-Jonah because Jesus named him Peter? Was Jesus no longer Jesus because the Bible also calls him Immanuel? Is Jesus no longer Jesus because the Bible calls him the Lamb of God? Lion of the Tribe of Judah? Is Jesus no longer Jesus because Evangelical Christians also call him the "Angel of the Lord"? (Holman Christian Standard Bible, p.1068) Jesus has many roles and titles in the Bible, but he is still Jesus. And if Jesus takes the role of the archangel Michael, he would still be Jesus. If you really read our literature, or visited our website, you would know that Jehovah's Witnesses believe and teach that Jesus Christ is our Lord, Savior, and Redeemer, and the unique Son of God, and the only way to the Father. Your assertion is unfounded and unsubstantiated, it amounts to no more than a biased opinion. It is neither fact nor truth. Do you wish us to call you a "Thomasist" because you present as proof what Thomas said, rather than what Jesus Christ himself said, that "the only true God" was his Father, not himself? (John 17:3) But since you mention Thomas, please note that Jesus did not commend Thomas, either. Rather, Jesus commended those who, unlike Thomas, believe without having to see.

Answer 3

Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. The Bible nowhere identifies Jesus as Michael (or any other angel for that matter).

Hebrews 1:5-8 draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels, “For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father"? Or again, "I will be His Father, and He will be my Son"? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, "Let all God's angels worship Him."

In speaking of the angels He says, "He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire." But about the Son He says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.”

Angels worship Jesus. The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6)

Answer 4

Dear Moises3702,

You are mistaken. It is Watchtower Witnesses who cannot prove that Micheal was .... Christians do not make such an absurd claim.

Last December I was visiting with a JW couple who came to my door and we were discussing this very topic. They assured me that if I would only read their little book, What the Bible Really Says, then I would see it for myself. I told them I've read so many of the JW books and have no desire to read any more.

I prayed about it because they kept insisting. The Holy Spirit led me to make a deal with them. I would read their book IF they would read 2 things for me. They assured me they would.

I gave them a 2 page chart called One Truth Exposes a Thousand Lies - Traits Shared Between Jehovah and Jesus which I found at http://www.soulright.com

The other thing I gave them was a pamphlet written by Roy Zuck. I think it was called An Open Letter to Jehovah's Witnesses. I've since run out of copies and my Christian bookstore was out last time I checked, so I'm not sure of the title.

They gave me their word that they would read my material so I sat down to read their book. I did find an interesting suggestion about reading the enture Bible in one year. I've been doing that for the past several years and have been suggesting that to my mom. She always turns me down saying that reading it every three years at the Kingdom Hall is enough.

After reading the intro. I went in search of the Michael info. It was in an appendix rather than the main portion of the book. The verses given definitely were NOT proof of any such thing.

Those of us who object to this preposterous claim (Christians) have the help of the Holy Spirit to understand what the Bible says. We pray that He will remove the blinders from your eyes while there is still time.

Edit in response to your email:
When I answered your YA question today I was speaking only to the question you asked and not to the details which I found difficult to read. It seems that English may not be your primary language. I know the question mark is provided automatically so as I re-read it I see you made a statement. You did not really ask a question.

For the past ten years I have not used Bible verses with JWs because my cousin (who was a JW at the time) and I used to do that and got nowhere. It was pointless and we stopped. I'm happy to say my cousin left the JWs four years ago.

In my answers on YA I do make an exception to my general rule citing Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Those verses show me very clearly that JWs are FALSE prophets and are not speaking God's Word no matter how many Bible verses they use.

I also do provide the link for the interactive chart at http://www.soulright.com which lists many many Bible verses in an orderly fashion

But I will make one more exception. I will quote Sasi who said in one post "Hebrews 1 shows that God's angels WORSHIP Christ. If angels must not receive worship but only give it to God, then Christ CANNOT be a mere angel - even an arch-angel"!

She also said "If having the voice of the arch-angel makes Christ the arch-angel, does having THE SOUND OF THE TRUMPET MAKE HIM A TRUMPET?"

The orchestra plays Hail to the Chief when the Pres. of the U.S. appears but that doesn't make him an orchestra.

For His glory,
JOYfilled



For His glory,
JOYfilled

Answer 5

Jesus was the only BEGOTTEN son of God....He was with God in the beginning (In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the Word was God.) Michael is not another name for Jesus.

Jesus is the only one that can raise the dead but He has done it through other people....Smith Wigglesworth was an evangelist in the early 19th Century and was known for praying for people and them coming back to life. He always said it was Jesus that did it...not him. And you never hear anyone calling Smith Wigglesworth Jesus.

Answer 6

the term archangel means 'chief of angels', there is more than one archangel..so hm.

"The New Testament rarely speaks of angels, and makes only two references to archangels: Michael in Jude 1.9 and I Thessalonians 4:16, where the "voice of an archangel" will be heard at the return of Christ. Contrary to popular belief, Gabriel is never called 'archangel' in the Gospels.

In later Christian tradition, however, there are three archangels: Michael, Gabriel, and usually Raphael; sometimes Uriel is given as a fourth. Eastern Orthodox tradition mentions "thousands of archangels"[4] but venerates only seven of them by name.[5] Uriel is included, and the other three are most often named Selaphiel, Jegudiel, and Barachiel.

Sometimes Satan is considered a fallen archangel whose original name was Lucifer.[6]

Some Protestants view Michael as the sole archangel, as the only one explicitly described as such in the Protestant canon of the Bible.[7] (Jude 1:9)

The edition of the Bible used by Protestants, which excludes the Apocrypha, never mentions a "Raphael" and he is therefore not recognized by many of them. Raphael, however, is mentioned in the Book of Tobit, one of the deuterocanonical books. In the story, Raphael comes to the aid of Tobit, healing him of blindness, and his son Tobias, driving away a demon that would have killed him. Raphael also plays an important role in the Book of Enoch.
Orthodox icon of the seven archangels. From left to right: Jegudiel, Gabriel, Selaphiel, Michael, Uriel, Raphiel, Barachiel. Beneath the mandorla of Christ are representations of Cherubim and Seraphim.
Orthodox icon of the seven archangels. From left to right: Jegudiel, Gabriel, Selaphiel, Michael, Uriel, Raphiel, Barachiel. Beneath the mandorla of Christ are representations of Cherubim and Seraphim.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus is actually the archangel Michael.[8] In this view, Michael is the first and greatest of all God's creatures. This belief is held, in part, because the Bible only mentions one archangel by name, Michael, and in the biblical book 1Thessalonians 4:16 it says regarding Jesus: "Because the Lord himself will descend from Heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice."

This is in contrast to certain Protestants, such as Seventh-day Adventists,[9] the Baptist evangelist Charles Spurgeon[10] and the Presbyterian Commentary author Matthew Henry,[11] who believe that the Archangel Michael is not an angel but is instead the uncreated, divine Son of God. In this view "archangel" means "head of the angels" rather than "head angel," and is a title similar to "Prince of the host." (Daniel 8:11)"

Answer 7

Michael is one of the archangels. You can see him responding to Daniel's fasting and prayers in the book of Daniel.

Jesus from the New Testament view was incarnated as man, He has existed eternally. He is not an angel.

Answer 8

Michael is not the name of Jesus before he came to earth. I dont know where you heard that. Michael is the angelic name of Adam, the father of us all.

Answer 9

Only the Jehovahs witnesses believe this.

The Messiah's name, or title, as far as can be determined from the scriptures, before becoming Yashua, was Logos or the Word.

John 1:1

Edit: In response to your email; Michael was an angel:
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Yashua was not and is not: Hebrews 1:1 ¶ God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, (NOT an angel) whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds (Yashua was the Creator in Genesis 1:1); 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person (He is just like God!), and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 ¶ Being made so much better (BETTER!) than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (Where does it say this about Michael?).
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord (Speaking again of Yashua), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? (NONE!) 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
1 ¶ Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. 2 For if the word spoken by angels (Like at Siani) was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward; 3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord (The Creator of all), and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? 5 ¶ For unto the angels (Including Michael) hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 ¶ For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not (NOT) on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.