Jesus said the following in 3 of the gosples:
Mat 26:29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."
Mar 14:25 "I tell you the truth, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God."
Luk 22:18 For I tell you I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
But then it seems he didn't keep his promise:
Jhn 19:29, 30 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
So whats the explaination? I checked out wine vinegar, and yes, its made from 'grapes'
2007-06-08 03:59:36 · 21 answers · asked by honeyshape 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
1) You're comparing the Synoptic Gospels to the Gospel of John. You're going to run into things like this when that happens.
2) Assuming your interpretations are correct, I noticed that Matthew seems to place an important Theological significance on the word "this." ("I will not drink of THIS fruit of the vine....") This is different from his potential source, Mark's Gospel. It seems to suggest a stronger connection to the meal they are sharing than it does to wine. This is the Last Supper with his friends. He will not have another important event like this until they are in Heaven.
3) Now, figure out what the significance is of John's Gospel and the wine there and you have a decent article to submit to a publication. ;-)
Matt
2007-06-08 04:15:40 · answer #1 · answered by mattfromasia 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
A baseball bat and a buttermilk churn blade are both made from wood-but they are not the same.
Table wine (what one drinks) and wine vinegar (not for drink) are both made from grapes, but they are not the same.
If you dig a little deeper you will find that in the passages in Matt, Mark, and Luke that "fruit of the vine" actually means-fruit of the vine. Nothing more.
And in John the "wine vinegar" means -wine vinegar, nothing more. If you can not see a difference-you have problems.
2007-06-08 11:12:44 · answer #2 · answered by johnnywalker 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
No of course not. Jesus' words were spiritual "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life". He was speaking of something done here on earth with a significance to be continued the next time (Second Coming). Drinking wine as he did at the Last Supper had special meaning. This wouldn't be done again with Him until He returned with His kingdom.
2007-06-08 11:21:45 · answer #3 · answered by F'sho 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You are completely and utterly missing the point of that passage. Jesus is not talking about wine. He is talking about his blood. He is talking about giving up his life and and being resurrected for our sins. He is talking about the world before his resurrection, and the world after. After the supper, he is taken away and crucified. He does not see all his friends again until after. That is the point. Whether or not he ate some grapes is totally irrelevant. Sure, you can cherry-pick the Bible and find supposed "contradictions," but as with anything else, if you read the Gospel as a whole, it is plain as day that Jesus talked symbolically. It is called "context," a very basic concept when studying any text, religious or not. You won't find a Biblical scholar out there that will agree with your point of view.
2007-06-08 11:10:50 · answer #4 · answered by Mr. Taco 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Was he drinking wine vinegar at the Last Supper? He didn't say "I will not drink any drink made from grapes". Seems like you're reading into the text that which isn't there in order to try to disprove the Bible. Not very honest.
2007-06-08 11:05:17 · answer #5 · answered by Machaira 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Jesus was giving a prophesy regarding the passover feast. As you may know, during the Seder feast there are four times in which wine is drunk. Jesus was telling his disciples that there will be a feast in heaven when we will have another seder. The wedding feast of the Lamb. He was also telling them that this was his last passover. He had been trying to tell his disciples that he would die very soon, but they didn't get it.
2007-06-08 11:15:07 · answer #6 · answered by Yo C 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Take a big old swig of vinegar and write that again.
Also, it is hard to imagine any seed smaller than a mustard seed being planted in a garden. Keep it in context rather than stretch it out of shape to suit your nasty intent. You denied him and called him a liar. You may leave any time you wish.
2007-06-08 11:24:11 · answer #7 · answered by sympleesymple 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Did jesus lie? Who knows what jesus said? A couple of sayings written down a century or more after his death, translated and retranslated over the millennia. Only non-thinkers would believe that they know what jesus ever really said.
2007-06-08 13:19:26 · answer #8 · answered by Fred 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
You can never be sure what Jesus actually said and what words were put in his mouth. Some gospels were chosen and some were omitted. And all were written by human men.
Some people would say that the universe IS the kingdom of God, which would make all of the statements true.
2007-06-08 11:04:35 · answer #9 · answered by mommanuke 7 · 0⤊ 3⤋
You've ignored the plain meaning of these verses. Is vinegar still wine? No, it's not. Therefore, He didn't lie.
2007-06-08 11:12:58 · answer #10 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋