If everybody sins, isn't God responsible?

Question

Think about a sixth grade class. They all take a test, and every single one of them gets an F. Who would you consider responsible? The students? Unlikely. Most likely the teacher would be considered either too harsh on the students, or not teaching the class properly.

Now let's look at sin in this construct. Everybody sins. EVERYBODY. Not just the people who are bad. Everyone. Doesn't this mean that God is responsible, in a way, making the definition of sin, and the things that are sinful, thinfgs that humanity can't stop from doing? Isn't that God's fault?

Nice to see some people challenging my reasoning.

leikevy- You miss the point. God made what was sinful sinful, and what wasn't, wasn't, after the fall right? Or did humans somehow determine this? If we want to use your example, the teacher gave everyone As at first, and then, after two tests, became harsh on people and gave them all Fs. Responsibility still falls on God, considering that the teacher increased the expectations by making things sinful and not sinful. Am I wrong?

frogginmama52- Did humans decide what would be considered sinful and what wouldn't?

mama of 2- Exactly. God decided what was sinful and not sinful. Now let's look at the rest of your answer. The problem with your reasoning is that Christians sin as well. The people who have the study material and believe it will help (Christians), still fail the test of sin, so to speak. Therefore responsibiliy for the failure is still on the teacher.

louis123121: I agree. I'm just using the assumptions Christians make, show that if their God exists, he is responsible for our sins.

stephen k: The football team analogy works too. As for what makes a sin a sin, according to Christians, it appears to be their God.

howdidigethere: You didn't even address my point. Why answer if you aren't going to answer?

.: I have. Oddly enough, he never answers.

Craig R: Romans 9:10-26? I'm afraid I don't understand how exactly it answers the question. I'm sorry. If you mean that God uses sin for good, then why have sin at all? Why not use something that is less harmful?

Bobby Jim: Your analogy is flawed. If the restaraunt owner chose two food items that he knew would cause horrible allergic reactions, and then said he had the antidote and refused to give it to people, then it would be his fault. That is more within the construct of sin than the analogy you came up with.

someone s: No, I'm not a homosexual, but that has nothing to do with my argument. No, I don't blame anybody for my birth, once again, irrelevant. First of all, I am skeptical about the whole snake=satan thing. It seems to require a grand amount of interpretation, but I'll allow for that to... you know what. I was going to discuss this with you, but you don't really refute my argument. You just sort of attack me, and then act as if it was an answer. If I'm missing the point, please let me know.

Prophet bbqdog: Like most Christian answers, you pin the sin on man. However God still decided what was sinful and what wasn't. Everybody sins. I don't "choose" to sin. God chose things that people do as part of their nature to be considered sins.

Dane_62: If God is omnipotent and omniscient, he could have figured out a way to stop sin without overriding our free will, if these concepts were valid. Therefore, responsibility flies right back to God.

one of the tallents now: It's true that if one or two people fail, that's their fault. But God made everybody fail by making things sin that are impossible not to do, even if you want to not do it. Therefore, your point is mute, and my analogies stand.

purpleaura1: But according to Christians, everybody sins, everybody falls short of God's grace. When we do something, we normally don't consider it wrong. Most people have good reasons for what they do. People think that when they "sin" they are actually doing something right.

[e-mail]: I fail to see how this refutes my point. Are you saying that because God gave us a way to Heaven, it makes it ok that he made it so that we all sin.

Sorry if people read all of this, but I wanted to adress the points made.

Answer 1

Yep. You got it.

Answer 2

This is not the right way to look at this problem. Being both a future teacher, and a religous person, I feel that both perspectives are wrong. The teacher may be to blame for part of the class failing, however the teacher is not to blame for the entire part, because no matter how much effort the teacher puts into a class someone is bound to fail. God gave each human free will, starting with Adam and Eve. Eve sinned causing Adam to sin, but Adam sinned at his own will, just like all of us sin on our free will. God is neither responsible or irresponsible. God gives us the freedom to choose Him, and if every human choose God our sins would be far less in comparison to those who do not choose to follow the love of God. There for, it is not God's fault that humanity sins, but humanities fault, just as it is every students fault that they themselves sin.

Answer 3

I see what you are getting at and too a point it's good line or reasoning, but God being Omnipotent intends to do everything he does, fault implies a mistake and I don't think sin is a mistake. Perhaps it's the inevitable result of creating a being with free will like us, but he does have a plan to restore us to the perfect sinless state again.

Part of this gets into the difference between God's will and his plan. To illustrate this think of the parent of a 10 year old, the 10 year old's room is very messy it's the parents will that the 10 year old clean it up, it's even with in the parents power to force it but the parent knows in the long run it will be better for the 10 year old to learn the natural consequences of a messy room so the parent's plan is to let the 10 year old live in the mess until they decide to clean it up them self.

Like this I believe God knew we'd sin ( he must have he know the beginning from the end) he could have even stopped it, but that would have been overriding our choice making us less then what we have the potential to be. Instead he allowed us to sin and put into motion a plan to restore us despite out sin with our free will in tacked.

Answer 4

You just want someone to blame because you're gay I bet!! I bet you blamed your mom because you were born too!! The truth of this question is answered in the book of Genesis... Lucifer created sin first by thinking he was better than God and in the process of admiring his little egotistical self and trying to cause mutiny up in heaven he was kicked off his little cloud and forced to spent eternity in darkness, and then he took the form of a serpent and tempted Eve with the forbidden fruit, which thus gave knowledge to make Adam and Even feel guilty that they had disobeyed God and sought out fig leaves to cover thier nakedness and cursed all humans from then on to be forced to deal with the trials of temptation... which hence applies to you as well (You being the son of Satan, who has to come on here and ask such a rediculous question just so you can blame someone else because you know you don't measure up as a human being).. End of story!!! Sincerely ~ the Church Lady!!!

Answer 5

Wow. i do no longer even understand the place to start. First, if guy hadn't screwed up, we does no longer understand death. Adam and Eve have been kicked out of the backyard of Eden so they does no longer consume the fruit from the forbidden tree and have eternal life. The implication from the Genesis one million:19-24 is that guy would have lived continually interior the backyard. 2d, as has been suggested in almost each and every reaction: God offered those with the duty of decision. God is basically in charge in that He created human beings interior the 1st place, which (in case you examine the old testomony) he's been regretting ever in view that. 0.33, we don't worship God simply by fact he's the writer. it incredibly is in basic terms one among dozens of motives. i'm uncertain what makes you think of that your reasoning ("christian reason, it incredibly is") is Christian in any respect, simply by fact it exhibits a marked loss of understanding of Christian fundamentals.

Answer 6

Once upon a time a little boy made a little boat and he was so proud of that little boat, he cherished it so much because it was made by his own little hands. One day he took the little boat that he had made to a creek and set it to sail but the water carried off so fast that he could not get it out of the water and the creek rushed it down stream and the little boy was very sad and cried. A few weeks later he was in a junk shop and seen the little boat that he had made for sale so he rushed and bought the little boat and he held it so close and and said" I made you with my little hands and then I lost you but now I have bought you back"
That is the story of our salvation we were created by the hand of God but then he lost us to sin but he sent his Son Jesus and purchased back from sin.
We are all sinners but some of us have accepted the purchase price of Gods grace.

Answer 7

Well no, God only created humans. It was humankinds free will that got them in trouble. The snake only tempted them.

So using your examples, the teacher gave everyone all A's and said "all you have to do is not do anything" but the students had to change the answers because someone else said they have the wrong answer.

It would be better to understand what the bible says before you go off like that.

I dont understand why I got thumbed down when it isnt even a matter of being religious at all. It's just knowing what the Bible has to say.

Answer 8

Well, God is the one who defined what sins are with the ten commandments. God is not responsible for us actually committing the sins because he has given us what we need to know already. For instance, if the class was given the study material they needed to pass the test and they failed it anyway, the teacher would not be held responsible because she gave them what they needed to pass the test, just as God has given us what we need to know in order to not sin.

Answer 9

you are the one on trial not God. God knew man's heart is evil countinuously (Genesis 6: 5) but God had to let man have free will. You choose your actions, blame yourself. God is our father and you are his child.

Answer 10

If we all sin, it's God's fault?
That's like looking at a menu with two items to choose from.

You choose one item, and you decide don't like it.
So because you don't like it, you blame the restaurant owner?

We make the choice to sin or not to sin.

Answer 11

That is a good point.

If the football team stinks, the coach gets fired.

And here is a tougher call. What really makes it a sin?

Sure some things are obvious, but what about the little things?