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but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself

Paul claims that Jesus' appearance and crucifixion is taking place in the end of the world, meaning in the end of time.

Well, its already 2007 years after the supposed incident and the world is still around.... Well dear Christians, won't you agree Paul made a mistake in mentioning the end of time, after Jesus' sacrifice?
Needless to say about Paul's other contradictions, he had made mistakes after mistakes. Yet, its difficult for you Christians to admit it. Read the Bible in a logical and rational way, without being bias. Won't you still agree, that Paul is Not Trustworthy?

2007-06-07 04:18:36 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Despite the widespread, uncritical adulation of Paul by those who listen to others instead of thinking for themselves, independent-minded analysts of Jesus' teachings have often found great cause to find fault with Paul. One of the most famous critcisms comes from Thomas Jefferson, who wrote in a letter to James Smith, that "Paul was ... the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus." (Works, 1829 edition, vol. 4, p. 327.) George Bernard Shaw, the English playwright, is widely quoted as having said that: "...it would have been a better world if Paul had never been born."

Consider the theology of salvation based solely on belief and nothing else. Belief requires exposure. One cannot have belief in something that one has never been exposed to. So what about those who were supposedly created by a God who is both just and merciful, but lived in a time or place when there would be absolutely no possible chance of ever being exposed to Jesus? Imagine an innocent child born in India, China or Africa 800 years before Jesus was born (or even 800 years afterward, for that matter). There would be absolutely no chance this child could ever be exposed to the opportunity of believing in Jesus or accepting him as personal savior. Again, Paul's theology consigns such innocent children to hell, while (as noted previously) Jesus taught that of such is the kingdom of heaven (Matt 18:4-5; 19:14; Mark 9:36-37; 10:14-15; Luke 18:15-17). Is Paul's doctrine of salvation only by faith, and consigning all others to eternal damnation, from the God of justice or mercy?

Even in John 3, the discourse to Nicodemus on salvation as a gift of grace, Jesus includes specific behavioral requirements (John 3:19-21). In any case, while some writings (other than Paul) may occasionally discuss faith as a separate topic (as with honesty, courage, etc.), no one (except Paul) EVER states that salvation can occur with any of these virtues APART FROM works/deeds actions. This does not mean that, in TEACHING us the BEHAVIOR of salvation that Jesus did not thus give us a free gift far beyond what we could ever earn, a gift of grace, but it does not mean that it was given entirely apart from specified behavioral conditions, as Paul says.

All of the gospels are replete with statements of behavioral obligation, and NEVER once make any statement remotely similar to Paul that the faith and grace that engender salvation occur "apart from" obedience, works or deeds. There are certainly passages that cite the importance, even the need, for faith or belief, and in some of these the idea of actions or "works" might go unmentioned. It is common for a passage to deal with a single subject only. But even in such passages, no one other than Paul ever comes out and specifically states that works or good behavior are NOT essential to salvation or justification. Paul is the only one to do this.

There is some disagreement among Christian denominations on the extent to which one's actions or deeds are important to the process of being "saved." Conservative (Evangelical, Fundamentalist or Calvinistic) Protestants take a hard-line view based on Paul's teaching, and teach that salvation is only by faith and not by works or deeds. Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses acknowledge the importance of faith, but follow the teachings of Jesus that one's actions or deeds also play an important role. In what might be seen as the ultimate religious irony, the conservative Protestants, who follow Paul in his contradictions against Jesus and are the ones who are undermining "Christian" teachings as taught by Jesus himself, often accuse the Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses (whose position is based on what Jesus said, not Paul) of not being legitimate "Christians"!

I just showed ONE example, which is More Than Enough Proof that Paul is NOT TRUSTWORTHY !

2007-06-07 05:19:45 · answer #1 · answered by The Skeptic 4 · 1 3

That is grasping at straws to try to discredit Paul. Take a look at the wording from your quote.

"in the end of the world", notice the word "in". We are in the last days of the world or "in" the last days. If we are not at the start of the world then we are either in the middle at in the end of the world.

Other translations read at the end of the ages, which could also mean the end of the Mosiac age, or the end of the Old Testament.

In either case, one misunderstood statement made without study does not discredit Paul.

2007-06-07 04:40:49 · answer #2 · answered by TG 4 · 1 0

PAUL WAS NOT THE AUTHOR OF HEBREWS...

Also, the term used more accurately means "end of the ages" refering to fulfillment of Jewish prophecy about the Messiah, his fulfillment ended the old age and ushered in a new age as a fulfillment of the law.

A lot of misunderstanding of scripture comes from not putting the authors words in the historical context of the times and the audience. Apart from beliefs, having an understanding of the culture, time and audience drastically changes the meaning behind letters when read in context.

2007-06-07 04:24:36 · answer #3 · answered by small group guy 2 · 0 0

His sacrifice at the end of the ages (the Old Testament era) was the climax and turning point of history. Again, what is logical and rational can only be determined by the leadership of the Holy Spirit. Trying to interpret the Bible without the Holy Spirit is impossible. Sorry.

2007-06-07 04:23:38 · answer #4 · answered by Fish <>< 7 · 1 1

It is because you see things from a different viewpoint, as opposed to the biblical one.

Not only Paul, but Peter and others refer to the "last days" as all these days since Christ's resurrection.

The writer to the Hebrews says, "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe." (Hebrews 1:1-3)

And

"Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself." (Hebrews 9:26) While this verse was what you used, it is still relevant to point it out comparing it with others.

Peter explains why it is taking so long, and your question even fulfills his prophecy about that.

"First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." (II Peter 3:3-4)

Peter also looks at God's concept of time:

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." (II Peter 3:8)

2007-06-07 04:27:51 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

No, Paul is not a liar. Paul's words were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. (Besides, it is uncertain that he wrote the letter to the Hebrews.)
Scripture says that a thousand years is like a day to the Lord, and vice-versa. But beyond that, the Holy Spirit has WARNED us of people just like you, scoffers in the end-times.

(You presume God's authority works on YOUR timetable. Have you now raised yourself up to the level of God!?)

2007-06-07 04:27:16 · answer #6 · answered by Bob L 7 · 1 0

You are asking me to choose between the Apostle Paul, or you and your interpretation.
Let's see, uh.....PAUL!
Why?
1- You rely on the KJV.
That's an OK translation, but it was produced over 400 years ago. Language is in constant change.
If you had verified the same verse with a variety of other translations, you would not come up with the same conclusion you are presently offering.
2- What is your motivation in trying to prove Paul wrong?

2007-06-07 04:27:48 · answer #7 · answered by Uncle Thesis 7 · 1 1

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2016-11-07 20:29:37 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

When you base the bible on what you understand vs. God's timing, you will always come to the wrong concluding.

"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:6-9

Up date:

Uncle Thesis (4 below me) take some time to learn something about books that are called the Holy Bible:

http://www.av1611.org/attack.html

2007-06-07 04:24:20 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Well, if you think the world is billions of years old, a few thousand is nothing and we could still be in the end.

2007-06-07 04:21:19 · answer #10 · answered by zoeboxcat 4 · 1 0

At least your interest in Paul's untruthfulness haves you reading the Bible!

2007-06-07 04:22:52 · answer #11 · answered by wilfredo a 3 · 1 0

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