the fact that if we were not created, how we all came about, and that the chances of everything that is know to us "evolved monkeys" happening in precise sequence is about the same chances of a well binded dictionary being preduced through a printer shop explosion (please this question is open to both atheist and different religions, but dont come here to mock either) Hopefully we can get along!!!=>
2007-06-06
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Sorry, you get the buzzer MPCAGK They did not create life.
They sparked various chemicals in an oxygen free environment and were able to induce 3 amino acids. Nothing "alive" resulted from their experiment.
They proved that only God could have created life.
They conducted their experiment in a reducing atmosphere because they knew that if oxygen was present, the amino acids would oxidize, and the experiment would fail.
If life were created in a reducing atmosphere, it would have died, since all life requires oxygen.
Thus the paradox. Life could not have begun by purely stochastic mechanisms.
They proved that. Thank you very much Miller/Urey.
2007-06-06
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ok well if we did evolve over a period of time, how can we be the olny species on earth to evolve??
2007-06-06
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Your understanding of evolution is quite limited. This site seems to get thrown around a lot, but I'll do it again: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html
If you still aren't satisfied, keep researching.
More important for me, however, is your statement,
"They proved that only God could have created life. " Your logic is off. I'm not even going to bother reading all of the answers or your explanations of their results. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter to me whether we evolved or not. However, your logic says that this so-called failure in science directly implies that God exists and that only God could have created everything. This is making at least two seriously flawed assertions: first, that evolution and creationism are the only ways that the universe could have reached this point, thus one must be right if the other is proven wrong; second, that evolution has been disproven simply because of an experiment that did not prove anything. I'm not a scientist, nor am I any sort of expert on evolution, so the purpose of my answer is to tell you to think through your claims before making them. If you are going to use logic in arguments, you must understand logic.
2007-06-06 20:05:15
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answered by Skye 5
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The odds look unlikely because they are, but it's not like you would be around to see all of the countless times life didn't quite form. We've had 14 billion years to play the life-lotto at literally countless locations and environments and picoseconds. We cannot even see all of the spectrum of light, so we cannot see what's happening in front of us.
If most people cannot recognize the fact that a label isn't the actual thing itself (i.e. a spoon isn't a spoon, it's a mass of particles in an arrangement. And a particle isn't a particle, it just another concept for some type of energy, which is ANOTHER concept for something we don't understand but label). If we can't even see past out own cleverness at categorizing things, what makes you think we can fathom what happened in 14 billion years, let alone how infiticimally small 14 billion years is in the scheme of multiple universes (as modern science says using solid physics tools). Also, there are about 270 large religions, giving Christianity a 1/270 chance of being the correct one (under the assumption one is even correct!).
I'll leave you with this final thought to dwell on. You will always believe you are right. Even when you think you are wrong, you think you are right about being wrong. Please reflect on this as you consider you current beliefs (I do often).
2007-06-06 15:43:44
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answered by neuralzen 3
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When there is no objective to create "evolved monkeys", or "bound dictionaries", what ever you get is EXACTLY what is possible.
Look up the Anthropic principal. It will explain this quite nicely.
In general however there are two points which you need to understand.
1.) Human existence is NOT, and was NOT guaranteed. Therefore whether we did or did not evolve is meaningless.
2.) There are over 100 billion stars per galaxy, and over 100 billion galaxies. Even if there is only one planet per star, and the chances of live evolving on any given planet is one in a trillion, there are still well over 10 trillion potentialy life bearing planets in the universe; we just happen to be one of them.
You are starting from the conclusion that we were DESTINED to exist, and that our existence was DESTINED to occur on Earth. You are working the problem the wrong way.
2007-06-06 15:31:12
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answered by Dark-River 6
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First we did not evolve from monkeys. Next, how do you figure the odds? Do you know how many suns there are in the universe? how many planets? did you know one of the most common elements in the universe is hydrogen which is the basis of water which is the basis of life? You are right about needing the right sequence, but that doesn't seem all that unlikely compared to how huge the universe is. We got lucky, if not us someone else, and there probably is out there.
Just had to add. How do you figure we are the only species to evolve? You do know what evolution is don't you? here's some reading material. Take a gander, you may find it interesting if nothing else.
2007-06-06 15:37:52
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answered by punch 7
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No, that's yet another nonsensical creationist claim that has nothing to do with reality.
There are fundamental forces such as gravitational attraction and chemical bonding that are decidedly non-random. The consequences of these small forces are what results in the creations of stars and planets and the heat cause by stars. The same forces lead to life without requiring "divine intervention". If you do not have enough of an education to be able to comprehend this is possible, that is your problem. Asserting you can't comprehend how it is possible so therefore God did it proves nothing, except that you are ignorant.
2007-06-06 15:38:25
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answered by Jim L 5
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ok, no mocking. sorry for the long answer but it is a serious question.
this is a very common question from people seduced by the 'argument from design'. that's the argument that says - but everything's so complicated! how could it possibly have come about, if not by the creation of an intelligent designer?
the answer is twofold - and depends on understanding that complex things only ever come about by means of combinations of less complex things. think about the US interstate system as an example. no matter where you are in the US, there's a highway that connects you to every other town, complete with directional signs, off-ramps, service stations and everything! how could such a complex system exist, unless it was created all at once by divine fiat?
the answer of course is that the road system we have today 'evolved' over a long period from smaller and simpler systems of roads, dating all the way back to native american trails. the same is true in (e.g.) biology - the complex systems you see are the result of an unimaginably long period of small changes, starting with very simple systems and working upwards towards ever more complex ones.
the 2nd part of the answer is a great point made by Richard Dawkins (not often grasped by 'design' types): if we were in fact designed, then the being that designed us would necessarily have to be *more* complex than we are. so you can't use that designer as an explanation for our complexity - because then you have to explain the even *greater* complexity of the being that designed us.
so really, the only way complex things (like us) can come into existence is 'late in the game'. simple structures gradually develop into increasingly complex ones.
edited to add additional response to additional question:
"ok well if we did evolve over a period of time, how can we be the olny species on earth to evolve??"
I can't believe I have to say this. we are not the only species to evolve! what gave you that idea? there's no way to say this except that is so dumb. you obviously have no knowledge - not even the slightest - of evolutionary theory. I'm hoping for your sake you went to a Bible school, so the fault is on your 'educators' instead of yourself for falling asleep in biology class.
for gods sake man, get an education. go to the library - check the science section - read a book. try at least to have a vague understanding of the subject before forming an opinion on it.
2007-06-06 15:37:44
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answered by hot.turkey 5
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Did you know the existence of God or a God has about the same chance as a well binded dictionary being preduced through a printer shop explosion?
If God is the "creator", what "created" your complex God? If he always existed, explain how this is possible.
2007-06-06 15:34:50
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answered by Anonymous
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While the origin of all life itself could be considered a 1 in 150,000,000,000,000,000 chance (a highly complex series of chemical reactions occuring under astronomically precise conditions), the process of evolution is anything but random.
The changes that are a result of evolution occur for a very specific reason: survival. Random changes to the genome of any species would, in fact, result in species going extinct.
2007-06-06 15:38:45
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answered by Bill K Atheist Goodfella 6
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A well binded dictionary would be shocking - since such a work of perfection needs intervention
I would call our world chaotic, most likely the product of evolution than a kind God. I'm agnostic so I acknowledge God may exist, but to me it is most likely he doesn't. The world is in a mess - look at the human rights in most countries and most animals are treated terribly by us. I would hardly compare this chaotic world with so much sickness, indignity and poverty to a well binded dictionary.
What is this precise sequence you are talking about? The animals that were smart or strong enough to survive long enough to reproduce created more of themselves and passed on their genes. It is possible it was God also, but it is also possible it was evolution. Read more on evolution if you want a scientific point of view on that. It is of course entirely possible that your religious view point is true of course. Nobody will ever be able to disprove religion since there is no way of disproving it - it is an airtight theory with no proof to disprove.
2007-06-06 15:38:38
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answered by Anonymous
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Sigh, so many religious people who don't study basic scientific principles.
Oh well.
Humans came about through evolution through a mechanism known as natural selection. It wasn't random chance, but it took millions and millions of years. Why do you think that humans share 99% of our DNA with chimps? We can have blood transfusions with them, unlike other species. Is it that difficult to fit together the pieces? Does a consensus of 98% of scientists (people who study for a living) across scientific disciplines not encourage you to look beyond what your pastor or preacher claims is "truth?"
I'd like to get along. But I'm bothered when creationists peddle misinformation (not you, I mean others in general) about the theory and the evidence for it.
P.S. How do you define or test for gods? If you say that evolution isn't a viable alternative and that god works in naturalistic forces (science), then it can be studied. So where is it? Certainly great claims require even greater evidence.
2007-06-06 15:34:10
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answered by Dalarus 7
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