Would you believe your 13-14 year old daughter if she became pregnant but claimed she was still a virgin?

Question

I have been giving serious thought to whether or not I believe the New Testament or if it is a giant con. People use Isaiah 7:14 as a prophetic reference to the virgin birth, but the verse is taken so far out of context that it is almost laughable that someone could derive that from it. If someone reads the whole chapter and not just that verse, they will find Judah at war on two fronts. The king of Judah was an evil king, but G-d assured the king through the prophet Isaiah that G-d would give Judah victory in these wars. Verse 16 gives qualifying info to prophecy of the child. "for before the child shall know to refuse the bad and choose the good, the land you abhor shall be forsaken by both her kings" I don't think these series of verses of immediate deliverence from invading forces are fulfilled by a virgin birth 700 years later. Joseph wasn't like, "Praise G-d, you must be the prophesied virgin mother of the Messiah." He wanted a divorce. If the expectation was..........

for a virgin birth you would think it would have been handled differently for more people to believe it. Please answer the question, and give any comments or thoughts you may have.

One more thing......why doesn't Paul mention the virgin birth anywhere in his writings?

starjumper, .....
I am going to try and say this nicely. Go back and read Daniel 9 and discover that people still sin, transgression has not ended, Jesus wasn't a military prince and didn't destroy the sanctuary.....that was the Romans about 40 years later, which other people show the 70 weeks to add up to that day. The mathmaticians don't agree so it shouldn't be accepted as fact as much as a possible theory among many. Why would anybody believe any prophecy that requires mental gymnastics to accept? If a prophecy says such and such will happen, then what it says needs to happen for the prophecy to be fulfilled and considered a true prophecy. My logic is not hard to understand, but yours is. Your "so there" attitude is very immature and common among people without a valid argument. Daniel 9 says nothing about a virgin birth and isn't quoted in the context of Matt. 1 or Luke 2, but Isaiah 7:14 does.

bible prophecy.....
strange logic you have.....Yes, all of G-d's word is true from the beginning but you presuppose that the New Testament falls in that category without proving it as such. And may I please point everybody back to my question and ask for answers to my question as stated in the question area. Think of the most modest, innocent, reliously observant, moral 14 year girl you possilbly can. If she were to become pregnant, would you believe her if she claimed she had not been intimate with a man on her testimony alone. Even with collaborating testimony of a doctor, I would think the doctor was a quack or the girl may not have been penetrated, but was doing things she shouldn't be doing at that age, especially if she was in relationship with a much older man. I would need several different sources of verifyable evidence before I would believe something like that. Did you ever read the story about the emperor's new clothes? To me, this seems to be a parallel story.

faith......
So I mispoke many bible references? uh..........I summarized Is. chapter 7, which I encourage everyone to read. I summarized the totality of the prophecy in Daniel 9, which I encourage everyone to read and mentioned Matthew chapter 1 and Luke 2, which I probably should have said Luke 1 and 2. So besides trying to influence the ignorant by saying I misquoted several biblical passages, which isn't so, you also seem to have created verses by describing a prophecy that the virgin birth was a one time happening. Anybody that has read the bible knows there is no such prophecy.

Answer 1

lol....not a smart daughter that would be

Answer 2

The prophecy does point to Jesus as does quite a lot of the Bible. Adam, Moses, King David...they all do. The prophecies do. You cannot read the Bible as you would a regular book. You have to have insight and understanding...wisdom that comes from God.

The prophecy in Isaiah was talking about what was happening at the time, but also about the future. I mean these are things of God you are talking about, not things of man.

The Bible has levels and levels of meaning. That is why this book can be read and re-read and still offer new and amazing revelations even after thousands of years. The Bible is not an ancient book written for that time, it was written for all time. It continues to be prophetic.

God's revelation to Joseph and even to Mary was not understood all at once. They had faith, that no matter what was going on, God could be trusted and that is where they both put their faith. We are asked to still do that today.

Open your heart, your eyes and your soul when you read the scripture. Allow God to show you his meanings. You'll be speechless with awe and wonder.

Answer 3

The way I understand it, the whole "Mary was a virgin" thing is a mistranslation anyway. But since it's become such an integral part of such things as Catholicisim, everyone's afraid to mention it anymore.

The original Hebrew word meant "young girl", not an actual "virgin".

Anyway, I think the whole thing's funny, regardless, because the whole story is rehashed Mithraism, anyway.

Seriously, don't worry about it. There's far better stuff that disproves that religion. Here's a few...

http://www.godisimaginary.com

Answer 4

No, and I've NEVER believed the story of the virgin Mary. More probably it happened like this: Some young woman named Mary gets pregnant by her lover - she insists it just happened. Because virginity was a big thing back then and because she's a fine woman and women were a commodity, she gets men (namely Joseph who has to save face and keep people from knowing he's been doing Mary since before they were married - a big no-no, so he has to act "shocked" but still find a way to marry his hot chick) to back up the story (maybe she gives a bj or two to keep from being stoned to death - if necessary), and ignorant people (who know nothing of their own biology) believe it hook, line, and sinker. Everyone involved breathes a sigh of relief. No one gets stoned to death.

Answer 5

The virgin birth was/is a once in an eternity miracle. It had not happened before Mary & Joseph of Nazareth' s time and it was not prophesied in The Old or New Testament to ever occur again since Mary & Joseph.

So, knowing the Bible, I might believe a 13-14 year old female kid was pregnant, but I would know in my heart sadly enough that it was either consensual or forced conception...but not miraculous. And the necessary exams would prove it.

But you misspoke several Biblical references.

Joseph's genealogy was of the House of David.
Mary's genealogy was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David. Mary was connected by marriage with Elisabeth, who was of the lineage of Aaron. Elizabeth & Zacharias, her husband who was a Hebrew priest were elderly when God sent an angel to tell them that they were going to have a son, & they would name him John, who became (John The Baptist).

Mary resided at Nazareth with her parents during her betrothal to Joseph. She was almost 15, unmarried, and a virgin when God sent the angel Gabriel to tell her that she was to be the mother of the promised Messiah. After she told Joseph what God's angel had said, and Joseph became upset and angry, Mary went to visit her cousin Elisabeth & Zacharias, about 100 miles from Nazareth and stayed with them for three months, to give Joseph time to think, spare him shame, & allow him decide what he would do.

During Mary’s visit to Elisabeth, Joseph remained in Nazareth. The abrupt departure of his espoused wife for Judah, and her visible condition on her return, caused him greater mental distress. Though only 20 and just a man, Joseph did not want to make Mary a public example, & was considering to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." So Joseph greatly relieved reconciled himself with Mary, married her privately, and took her to his own home.

The Isaiah reference you speak of is where Isaiah wrote as he was inspired of the Holy Spirit, although he did not understand the meaning of everything given to him by God. Isaiah was writing of a local instance, but yet it had a prophetic aspect towards the future. And much of prophecy has a two-fold interpretation. They call it the near and the far. And this is true of much prophecy.

Although Ahaz, the new king was a lousy king, he was the grandson to dead king Uzziah who was a good king. But God was not going to allow "firebrand" little evil dictators to destroy His chosen people's covenant lands like they had in their own kingdoms, so God prophesied to Isaiah, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that you abhor shall be forsaken of both of her kings."

And the kingdoms plotting against Judah, were wiped out as promised by God. And Immanuel, The Holy Son of God, The Messiah WAS later born of a virgin.

Answer 6

I would certainly question what she had been doing. I do not think the Jews accept the verses as christians read them and I know there is some question over that prophasie already being forfilled. but the fact God spoke to Joseph and he stood by mary is prove ebouh to me God had a hand in it.

Answer 7

No. Things like that dont happen everyday. In fact, you might say they only happen when a savior is born.

That wasnt the only prophecy fullfilled from the old testament. If you want to deny them and Jesus as king. Go for it, its your funeral.

Answer 8

If she continued to insist that she'd never had sex even after a gynecological exam revealed that she had, I would consider the possibility that she had been the victim of a date-rape drug and honestly didn't realize that she had been impregnated. But a Biblical-style virgin birth? No.

Answer 9

I know NOT a Man -


God’s word is true from the beginning (Ps.119.160 below), therefore, I believe that when Mary declared, “How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?, that Mary’s statement is to be believed. (Lk.1:27, 30, 34, 38 below)


Ps.119.160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Lk. 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.

Lk. 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Lk. 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Lk. 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.


Pat (ndbpsa (c))

Answer 10

No matter how much you blather there is no definitive proof Mary was 13 or 14 when she became pregnant. And usual customs at that time are not a deciding factor.

Answer 11

A physical exam would show if she was a virgin or not. Any Ob-Gyn could tell very quickly. If the doctor said she was, then we would know that the old wives tale of swimming with boys was true - and realize what a bullet we had all dodged.