My fellow atheist brothers and sisters... a Scientific question... the INTELLIGENT people answer this?

Question

As i had asked this question in the R&S category people had recommended me to ask it in the sciecne section and i am now....

Ive always thought that atheists are clever people because they dont blindly follow their parents or anyone else. But my question is if you think there is no God.. how did the universe come into existence( i know well about the big bang theroy and the Quran talks about it as well) but the big bang theory suggests it came out of nowhere basically the collision of dust particles... if your saying that explosion created the universe, then how can anyone believe that.. because explosions are knowns to DESTROY things and not create. And another thing is how can DNA and RNA come into existence at the same time? How did the first ancestor actually come out of.. as the theory suggests life came out of a non living thing (ABIOGENESIS)... how is that logically possible??? Please no stupid answers. So the stupid ones stay out

Are any of you amazed that the BIG BANG theory has been talked about in the Quran... if your to beleive in the founder of the Big bang theory which was done recently.. allah said it 1400 years ago... Anything amazing... And did you know that the embroyologic growth of an embryo is also mentioned in the Quran which was confirmed only after the use of high technological equipments... This is was all 1400 years ago... Anything amazing brothers and sisters....

Answer 1

They will have no answer for this...

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has rightly said ...

" Blind are not those who cannot see , But those who cannot understand"

In Quran are the Signs for people who reflect.

May Allah (s.w.t) guide them to Islam.

Answer 2

If you are really interested in a reasoned discussion of these issues by a prominent, respected scientist (the head of the Human Genome Project), read the reference. The world is saturated with an unending supply of really bad and wrong arguments on all sides of these issues. Refuting a bad argument for evolution doesn't refute evolution. Work instead at finding the truth.

Expansion is a better description of big bang theories than explosion. There is still not a viable theory (M-brane transformations included) for how the universe came into existence. The main point of Genesis 1 in the Bible is that God created the heavens and the earth, not how or when or how long it took.

I have begun studying DNA, but I can already see that the claim that the mechanism of DNA/RNA 'just happened' looks like a desperate grasp for an explanation when we have none. All of the details of your physiology, along with all of the instructions necessary for your body to develop from a single cell, along with the capability to reproduce itself, is encoded into a single, extremely large molecule. I simply can't envision any way for this to happen by accident.

You might be surprised how many atheists blindly follow their parents or someone else, and how many Christians don't.

Right now, we simply don't know how the universe came into existence. Science has no way to show or prove that God created it, or that God didn't create it.

Answer 3

Ok, well last part first. There is a great article about the beginnings of life in Scientific American's most recent edition, I suggest you pick it up. Further, RNA and DNA did not come about contemporaneaously. RNA came first, then DNA later. RNA can, concievably, be changed into DNA through a variety of processes. Explosion is an interesting word for the Big Bang. We think of things as "destroyed" if they are changed by rapid release of energy (an explosion) but that is not the case. Matter is neither created nor destroyed, just rearranged. A big bang of massive energetic proportions would not destroy matter then, but rearrange it. There is the theory that the Big Bang that started our Universe was one of many, going on into eternity. The universe, the theory goes, is constantly expanding and contracting. Obviously this takes longer than any of us will be alive, but the theory is that the Universe expands from an explosion to a point ,stops, and contracts. The methodology is difficult to explain, but none of that matters. The real answer to your question is "we don't know for sure." We've got lots of theories, many that fit the evidence we see, but untill we discover more, we can't know. The real point is, why do you accept that the Universe "started?" Why assume that all that is, was at one point not? Why, necessarily, can the universe not merely be ifinite, without time. Time is a funny thing, and it takes an evolved mind to comprehend it. But the truth is, that time is meaningless in the face of infinity, and I would submit that there never had to be a "start" to the universe, never a "comming into existence" that you wonder about. You can concieve that Allah is without time, so you have a grasp that time needn't apply to all things. Take that, apply it to the universe. Don't assume that there was a start, this will help you in your conceptualization of it.

Answer 4

The very concept of the Big Bang as an explosion in space seems to be one of the greatest misnomers in existence. It must be understood more in the context that it was an explosion of space...a period of unprecedented expansion that filled the proverbial room which we call the universe. In some circles, there is talk of the big bang as a continuum - a manifold that is capable of stretching and molding itself... creating both time and space as we define them.

AS for the question of God, I believe that he exists. Allah, Yahweh, Buddha --- does the name really matter? I think not.
The human design is far too complex to credit to coincidence. Same goes for the "order" of the universe. At this point, we can only speculate, conjecture and imagine. For after all, science is a tool that requires all three.

I'm no atheist but I believe that if there is anything common to us all, it would be that sense of wonder that purveys all things.
It is this instinctive feature of humanity that enables us to resolve the many questions surrounding ourselves and those that lie beyond the reach of any human field. It is what enables us to transcend.

Answer 5

The thing about we atheists is that we are patient. Human knowledge is a growing thing. We understand that we don't currently have all the complete answers to all scientific questions. But we don't take this to mean that humankind will never know the answers to such things, and we certainly don't wish to create an answer merely to fill the vacuum and to call it divinely inspired. Already, we have gathered many clues about the beginnings of life here on Earth, and have formulated several hypotheses about the origins of the universe itself (like by physicists like Alan Guth, Lee Smolin, etc.). Many of these scientists propose that the big bang arose from a pre-existing region of space, but to explain that idea here would take several pages.

The big bang would not destroy, because there was nothing around at the time to be destroyed. You seem to think of it as an explosion in space. We currently conceive of it as more of an explosion "of" space. As for the "collision of dust particles" idea, it sounds really unlikely when put that way, but remember that all matter in the universe exerts a force of gravity attracting it to all other matter in the universe. We have even seen disks of matter accreting around other stars in space; a window on the process of planet formation.

The Quran may be seeded with science of many types (what was known at the time it was penned), but it is far from a complete set of answers for things scientific in nature. If it were, we could simply study it and nothing else to become a capable scientist, correct?
My advice to you is to be patient, and to never stop questioning.

Answer 6

life forming from inanimate objects is completely viable. think about this... what are you made of? energy, water, fiber, proteins, etc... for life to come out of these compounds they just have to be "put together" in the right sequence. add a dash of lightning(or any interjectional energy) at the perfect moment and there you have it... a single cell organism... which would evolve into us as we know it. now for your question on the big bang... explosions can do alot of things... you must always be thinking of the reciprocal of actions. it is simply converting energy from one form to another. it created things from basic elements to radio-gamma rays and all it probably did was combine two little atoms together through fusion. what needs to be remembered is that we are all made form the same things that stars and planets are made form. now for the basic fault of you comment: your perception forms all things you "know" any information you learn gets filtered through your perception (i.e. what color a book is or how you feel about something) being human you will never have access to pure information.(you can't see what you can't see) so there for when you ask "how could anyone could believe that" you should first ask your self "why can't i believe that?" if you do that then you will be less likely to embarrass yourself (and you will start to become less closed-minded!) happy thinking!

Answer 7

While respecting these mentions in Quran and also understanding your sentiments on getting a chance to prove the superiority of your religion, your book and your way of life, I would like to request you to please explain that how does any scientific mention links to God.

This rationale that "anything which is (or was) not readily explainable is the handiwork of God, and, it is the handiwork of my God, and further, it proves that my God is the only God, and still further, it proves all other Gods and beliefs as false" is highly spacious.

If you are so convinced about your sentiment that these statements can be from God only, how you would react to the fact that 'Sushruta' has mentioned about embroylogy in 'Sushruta Samhita' in 6 century BC which is 1200 years before Quran. On the other hand, Aryabhatta, Varahamihira and Bhaskara were writing about all aspects of astronomy including whatever you have mentioned about 100 years before Prophet. Do these facts make Sushruta and Aryabhatta the God ? If your do not believe my statement, go to Wikipedia or Encarta or Britanica Encyclopedia, each of which has elaborate mention of this.

I am not trumpeting about how much India was developed then, I am just drawing your attention to the fact that there were many developed civilizations at different point of time, which (including Islamic civilization) have been responsible for great discoveries but that does not mean that one should hijack those discoveries to prove the existence of one's God. Quran is the God's book, let it remain God's book, do not try to prove it by collateral factors, there is a risk that the same collateral factors may disprove your stance and in turn may effect your book.

Answer 8

Assalamu A'laekum Brother,
Your question is so logical but I'm sure Atheists will never agree with you.
As they don't want to accept the presence of an ultimate Creator, to avoid HIS limitations, rules and regulations in the shape of religion.
They don't know these limitations are in Haman's interest in the long run.

They say evolution is the reason, but question is who controls the evolution.

Answer 9

Whenever someone I don't know calls me "friend", "brother" or "sister", I start smelling the pungent odor of "con job" in the air.

I don't know how the universe came to be.
But it seems to me that the "physics of nothingness" are unstable and somehow produces "somethingness".
I sense this is true because I am here to ponder it.
My existence is probably unimaginably unlikely, and yet here I am, thinking about it.
I find that the world, no matter how closely I look or how widely I see, is an awesome and wonderous place, and I take great pleasure in wondering how everything fits together.

And in the midst of my musings, I am constantly being interrupted by rude little people with little black books in their hand telling me to forget my folly, that the universe isn't infinite but god is, and he magically spoke everything into being.
I am to accept this as fundamental fact, along with the idea that god has always been.

Fundies are an insult to my sense of wonder and to my intellect, and you disgust me completely.

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Answer 10

Akhi I really don't understand.

Athiests are the kaffireen, how can they be your brothers and sisters?

Nautho Billah bro what is this supposed to mean ALLAH SWT speaks out against them.

http://muttaqun.com/auliya.html


The Noble Qur'an: Ash-Shura 42:9
Or have they taken (for worship) Auliyâ' (guardians, supporters, helpers, protectors, etc.) besides Him? But Allâh, He Alone is the Walî (Protector, etc.). And it is He Who gives life to the dead, and He is Able to do all things.


The Noble Qur'an: At-Taubah 9:71
The believers, men and women, are Auliyâ' (helpers, supporters, friends, protectors) of one another, they enjoin (on the people) Al-Ma'rûf (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islâm orders one to do), and forbid (people) from Al-Munkar (i.e. polytheism and disbelief of all kinds, and all that Islâm has forbidden); they perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) and give the Zakât, and obey Allâh and His Messenger. Allâh will have His Mercy on them. Surely Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.



The Noble Qur'an: At-Tauba 9:23
O you who believe! Take not for 'Auliya' (supporters and helpers) your fathers and your brothers if they prefer disbelief to Belief. And whoever of you does so, then he is one of the Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc).



The Noble Qur'an: Al-Mumtahinah 60:1-9, 13
1. O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies (i.e. disbelievers and polytheists, etc.) as friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism, this Qur'ân, and Muhammad ), and have driven out the Messenger (Muhammad ) and yourselves (from your homeland) because you believe in Allâh your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My Cause and to seek My Good Pleasure, (then take not these disbelievers and polytheists, etc., as your friends). You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray, (away) from the Straight Path.


Autho Billah Watch out bro.