seperation of church and state?

Question

does it even exist anymore? how can it be that a country founded by people who believed in the seperation of church and state can now be run by an idiot who is trying to make same sex marriages illegal? and his reasoning? yes he is christian but who is he to tell everyone what is normal, when there is no clear definition to what is normal. and who is he to tell people who they "should" love? love is love and is not exclusive to just man and woman.

Answer 1

There really is no thing like seperation of church and state. It is distorted. The truth is. We want government out of church, but not church out of the government. And thats just pure historical facts, not religious thinking.

Answer 2

It does exsist, but one needs to understand what in means in a historical context.

The original version as written by Madison, was stronger in separation that what was finally accepted in the cvernonstitution. The framers chose a weaker version, which allows some interaction of church and state, but limits it. Also, originally, it only applied to the FEDERAL government. For close to 100 years some states had state scantioned chuches. Now, that would not be allowed.

The current situation is that neither states nor the federal govt cannot endorse a religion, but they can otherwise recognize it (O'connor's Endorsement test).

I agree that same gender marriage should be legal, and think that one day it will be. It's unfortunate that some religions try to suppress it, and use politcal power to do so. The hearts of people must change enough before the law can follow.

We need more mainstream same gender couples in the media and in politics.

I'm with you on this.

Answer 3

I think Paul was right. This should be a non issue!

Everyone seems to think the Constitution was written to protect the church from the state! Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Constitution was written to protect the Government from the Church.

You do remember what it used to be like in England, and you do remember how a woman who was a religious outcast became Queen Elizabeth. She wrested government from the Catholic church who were practicing genocide on other Protestants. Elizabeth, shortly after she became queen, locked some religious leaders away until she came up with the Church of England and it was declared a law!

Answer 4

There is no such thing as same sex "marriage"...
Marriage is defined as a union between man and woman.
Same sex unions exist . but they are not a "marriage"
Words have meanings; marriage is already defined..
Would you demand that we eliminate the names of fruits because an apple cant be called an orange simply because someone demands or wants to use the word???
Should be eliminate the words male & female anf just refer to people as adult human tom /mary or non adult human for toddlers, preteeens, adolescents...
AS for "what is normal" ...each human is entitled to define what is normal or what they chose to like or accept...
Would you demand that everyone love to eat brussel sprouts,or beans? ..Wear the same style clothes/jewelery?
The bottom line is simple...everyone will never agree with you all of the time nor will they ever embrace all of your beliefs or choices ...The fact that someone disagrees with you or your choices (favorite foods,hobbies, books,clothes or RELATIONSHIPS ) is not the end of the world..Nor does it mean that you can Make someone accept your choices..Get over it or find a planet that has a species with no diversity or free will.

Answer 5

Thanks for posting - I agree whole-heartedly. It's hard to separate personal views from religion, but in this case its kind of ridiculous.

Yet there's some guy who wants to remove "God" from the pledge of allegiance (and took it to the courts), congress spent a while worrying about flag-burning - have we got our priorities wrong or what? And why does the whole country seem so worried about same-sex marriage when we're stuck in the Iraqi quagmire, our schools need funding, genocide goes unchecked in Darfur, our economy is terrible and our reputation crumbles.

Why do we have our priorities so messed up? Why should anyone else care whether homosexuals marry? Homosexuals haven't bothered them (though they would have an excuse if they did). how do we keep America "pure" by violating the founding principles of out country? Why do we place so much of our decisions on small details in the bible when that has nothing to do with running our country fairly?

I guess that's more question than answer...

Answer 6

Separation of church and state does not mean that you cannot do anything based on religion, it just means that you cannot involve religion in government. If a president believed that murder is wrong, and believed this because the Bible says that murder is wrong, and so he tried to outlaw it, would that violate separation of church and state? Of course not.

It is sad that same-sex couples are being treated this way, but the whole debate has nothing to do with religion or church and state. Keep the issues straight.

Answer 7

Ron Paul has explicitly stated that he believes in the irrefutable necessity of the separation of church and state.

It is clear that he's the only one who believes in this anymore.

Ron Paul believes that the federal government has no right to ban these things. He believes in states' rights.

As far as I'm concerned, Ron Paul is the only candidate who isn't worthless as a potential leader. He's the only competent candidate.

As for Bush, we've all known he's a jerk for a long time.

Answer 8

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Answer 9

Ya know I have often wondered about the separation also!

Why is it that we vote in churches? Isn't that a possible conflict of interest when we are looking at the priest before we vote?

Answer 10

lawfully speaking it does.. but! on practice? not anymore.. coz no matter what happens.. the church will interfere with the state.. i know its confusing but the church is just showing that they care for the country... but i dont agree with it.,.. coz sometimes, they are the reason why people get to the point of not believing in the government... sighs.