McCann - Follow on about Kate McCanns point of entry from 'life isnt all ha-ha's question.?

Question

A poster earlier posted that Kate had gone through the front door to check on her kids. But this would have been highly unusual. She and Gerry had left the Patio Doors unlocked so they could easily enter the apartment. So why on this particular occasion would she have gone to all the effort of going through the front door and having to fish out her keys, when she knew the patio doors were open and she had presumably used those for the other checks.

"When Kate went in about 10pm she immediately knew something was wrong because an internal door banged shut as she opened the front door - meaning a window was open somewhere."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/tm_headline=-the-guilt-will-never-leave-us-&method=full&objectid=19201229&siteid=89520-name_page.html



However in the Times.

"The rear patio doors to the apartment had been left unlocked to allow easy access for regular checks by the parents."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1848425.ece

Hmmmm....

MomBlessed: Only the McCanns have said the shutters were forced. Both the police and the staff at Mark Warner have said that the shutters WERENT forced.

Also the point, to someone who didnt get it, is that the McCanns left the patio doors open to allow them to check on their kids, so WHY did Kate choose to go through the front door this time when she knew the patio door was open?

KittyCat - You are right, there are a lot of descrepencies however a lot of the stuff that is quoted is coming from the McCann family in the immediate aftermath of the kidnapping so you would have thought it would be fresh in their mind.

LEXY - They DELIBRATELY left the patio doors unlocked so they could use them to easily check on the kids without having to lock/unlock doors every time they checked on them. What bit of that do you not understand?

Answer 1

You've missed your vocation in life Sherlock!

Ask yourself this question would you be thinking clearly and would you remember every little detail when faced with the realisation that something was not as it should be? No of course not....

Give them a break will you Moron.

An evil thought has just occurred to me that perhaps it IS YOU that is the abductor as you seem to know so much about everything.

Answer 2

I don't have a clue what the hell is going on concerning this case.....but something isn't ringing quite right.

A couple of years ago there was a case where a guy & his fiance' (both British I think) went travelling through the outbacks of Australia & they were both attacked by some random guy that tied her up & killed the guy she was with. She escaped to tell the tale.

Anyway, to begin with the police were smelling a rat & the general public & media were aware that something wasn't ringing true.....this led to all sorts of speculation within the first year or so of the investigation.

As time went on, the guy that committed the crime actually got caught & sent down for it. After a year or so later it all came out (in her account of what took place) that her weird behaviour which was making her look as guilty as hell was because she'd had an affair while with her fiance' & was really worried that had those details become public knowledge, she may be accussed of having something to do with his death.....hence her very strange attitude towards everyone.

I think if the McCanns had anything to do with the disapearance of Maddy, the police would hopefully be picking up on something already......as the PP are far more secretive with their investigations than the BP are, we won't be aware of what's going through their minds........I reckon at the end of the day the McCann's have something to hide, now whether that's some sordid little secret such as this previous case I mentioned or whether it's something far more sinister remains to be seen........but whatever it is, the general public....well, those that are open & observant anyhow.....are picking up on something that's just not ringing quite right.

Some people listen to alarm bells, other's just choose to ignore.

Answer 3

If you were a detective Dave, you'd be pursuing that information so vigorously you'd have to rope your clothes on and glue the ends. Discrepancies doesn't come into it.
You have highlighted many incongruities before and just one of those gives concern for just what role the McCanns played that night.
Front door, keys, french doors, unlocked - which they only admitted to later, and I recall about day 1 or 2 that window that was supposedly forced covered in red dust of the fingerprint SOCOs.
If this was Midsommer Murders we'd already have the culprits in the frame wouldn't we? It would help to explain Gerry's over-forceful complaining attitude that they did nothing wrong, neither of them are to blame, and they don't feel guilty.
All this OTT TEAM McCann circus is a smokescreen and I want those two back here, interrogated properly and let's sort this out. Again, Maddy takes a back seat to all this conjecture, and obfuscates the culpability of the McCanns, so Gerry's not so daft after all is he?

Answer 4

How can they ask the child to be brave when god knows what is happening to her. I wish they had told madeleine that they regretted leaving her and her brother and sister alone for the whole of the holiday. I really do think that the McCanns should be grateful that only one child went missing that night for an abductor could have taken all three he had the time to. My thoughts are with Madeleine I feel so sorry for that little girl. But my feelings of blame are shifting back towards Robert Murat, he was there watching and saw everything that was happening. Happy Christmas Madeleine wherever you are.

Answer 5

Exactly,something is weird.

Quote "Everyone talks about the back doors but having attended the scene I thought there was no way someone would force open some shutters and climb in the window where you could easily be noticed, when you could simply walk through the patio door."

about the initial claim, shutters were forced.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1267224,00.html

Also this is interesting as well,

Quote: " For example, when Madeleine was abducted she was wearing distinctive pyjamas, yet this information was not made public until four days after she had gone missing, by the parents."

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/mark_williamsthomas/2007/05/following_the_trail.html

Answer 6

Too many things that don't add up. Even Kate's statement that the kids were checked on regularly. Whereas in one article I read online mentioned that staff at Mark Warner's Resort when interviewed said that 'the McCann's never left the table during the entire evening'. Hmmmm.....

Answer 7

From very early on in this case I have been angry that whatever they told Police in the early, crucial hours after the disappearance it didnt assist the Police.
They confused the investigation in regards to the times they checked on her, whether the patio doors were forced or not, and now this.
Whatever has happened to that little girl, the initial instinct to cover up the truth of their behaviour that night, has only hampered the case. I am sure the Portuguese force found it very frustrating.
I would like to know the opinions of the average cop on that case in the early days.

Answer 8

Could it be possible that they used the front door 'cos it just that instance they had better parking on that of the apartment?
OR perhaps Kate needed to freshen up & wanted to enter from this side OR perhaps they didn't want to disturb the babies OR perhaps she wanted a glass of water & the jug of water was placed in the hall near the front door...They could be a million reaons why they used the front door...My point is GET BEYOND SLATING THEM...they are broken enough as it is...There are a zillion possibilies...why pick on this one just for the sake of some drama & good copy...i don't like using uppercase, don't make me.

Edit: As for the shutters; whether they were broken or not...have you heard of being in shock? Sometimes, in tragic cases it is possible to blank out & get confused & make contradictary statements. I know it reeks of something sinister but is a possibility that cannot be ignored. Remember, Innocent until proven guilty...Gosh! Dave S, i can imagine that evil scum of an abducter reading your imaginative posts & laughing with glee.

Answer 9

In a way I hope you are all wrong about this because I really don't like the alternative. Having said that, I have also felt that, right from the start things were not adding up. I have not liked the demeanour of the McCanns since their daughter was abducted nor the somewhat cavalier treatment of their twins, nor the self satisfied blog of the ghastly Gerry. Also, the 'they have taken her' needs some explaining.

Answer 10

Ok now I am really really baffled...If the doors were unlocked then why did someone have to break in through the shutter. If I were trying to break into a house I would try all the doors first. If someone was indeed watching this apt and they indeed were really checking which I believe eyewitness testimony states they didn't check at all...then that person would see the doors were unlocked and just go through the door...hmm staged shutters maybe to make it look like that?

Ha Ha I got 5 thumbs down for just asking a question of curiosity. And they call anti McCann folks heartless, judgemental LOL LOL LOL I am laughing so hard because I did not say one thing against the parents I just asked a question about facts I have heard from the media. Ha Ha at those people. Keep throwing your stones to!!!!!

Answer 11

" in the immediate aftermath of the kidnapping so you would have thought it would be fresh in their mind."

Yes, but if you are in the midst of hysterical panic, your memory isn't always reliable. Now I am not saying that this applies to all the details they supposedly forgot or changed. The fact remains though that trauma can have some serious effects on the mind.