I think the better question might be: "How many Christians have actually taken and PASSED a college logic course?" ;-)
2007-06-03 16:54:42
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answered by Anonymous
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You want some logical arguments Skippy? Here try these and get back to me.
Posit: An infinite number of moments cannot be traversed.
Premise 1: The series of events in time is a collection formed by adding one member (moment) after another.
Premise 2: A collection formed by adding one member (moment) after another cannot be actually infinite.
Conclusion: The series of events (moments) in time cannot be actually infinite.
If the universe were made up of an infinite number of moments stretching into the past, we could never have come to the present moment, since we would have to traverse an infinite number of moments to get to the present moment; Impossible.
Conclusion: The universe was created.
Cosmological Argument - Gk. Cosmos: “an orderly arrangement”
This argument states that there must be an effect for every cause, and God must be that Cause.
Syllogism 1
Premise 1: Every effect has a cause.
Premise 2: The universe is an effect
Premise 3: There cannot be an infinite regress of cause, and effects.
Conclusion: There must be an Uncaused Cause.
Syllogism 2
Premise 1: Everything that moves must have a mover.
Premise 2: The universe is moving.
Premise 3: There cannot be an infinite regress of cause, and effects.
Conclusion: There must be an Unmoved Mover.
Syllogism 3
Premise 1: Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
Premise 2: The universe began to exist.
Conclusion: The universe has a cause (God).
Ontological Argument - Gk. ontos “being”
Syllogism 1
Premise 1: If God exists, we must conceive of him as a necessary Being.
Premise 2: By definition, a necessary being cannot not exist.
Conclusion: A necessary being must exist.
Syllogism 2
Premise 1:If God exists, we must conceive of Him as the greatest conceivable being
Premise 2:By definition, the greatest conceivable being must exist or He would not be the greatest conceivable being, since one could conceive of something greater than Him, namely one that exists.
Conclusion:Therefore, the greatest conceivable being (God) must exist.
Syllogism 3
Premise 1: If it can be conceived, it must exist.
Premise 2: The concept of God is universally conceived.
Conclusion: God must exist.
Teleological Argument - Gk. teleos: “end, or complete”
This argument states that the order of the universe evidences intelligent design rather than chaotic chance. Therefore, there must be a designer.
Syllogism
Premise 1:If there is design, there must be a designer.
Premise 2:The universe in all its parts has a design.
Conclusion:There must be an Un-designed Designer.
Moral Argument (Anthropological)
This argument states that all people have a concept of right and wrong. This concept must have come from something outside of them—a Moral Absolute.
All people have a conscience. This conscience must reflect some conscience outside of them.
Syllogism 1
Premise 1: Moral laws imply a Moral law-giver.
Premise 2: There are universal objective moral laws.
Conclusion: There must be a Moral law-giver.
Syllogism 2: (C.S. Lewis)
1. There must be a universal moral law, or else:
(a) Moral disagreements would make no sense, as we all assume they do.
(b) All moral criticisms would be meaningless (e.g., “The Nazis were wrong.”).
(c) It is unnecessary to keep promises or treaties, as we all assume that it is.
(d) We would not make excuses for breaking the moral law, as we all do.
2. But a universal moral law requires a universal Moral law-giver, since the Source of it:
(a) Gives moral commands (as lawgivers do).
(b) Is interested in our behavior (as moral persons are).
3. Further, this universal Moral law-giver must be absolutely good:
(a) Otherwise all moral effort would be futile in the long run, since we could be sacrificing our lives for what is not ultimately right.
(b) The source of all good must be absolutely good, since the standard of all good must be completely good.
4. Therefore, there must be an absolutely good Moral law-giver.
2007-06-03 17:03:39
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answered by John 1:1 4
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Wouldn't it logically be more important to know how many actually took and PASSED a college logic course?
2007-06-03 17:35:41
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answered by Anonymous
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I've taken logic in other courses in college. Philosophy for example. Oh, and for that little girl below me I made an A.
2007-06-03 16:54:37
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answered by Fish <>< 7
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Again with the loaded questions. Gah. Yea, i've taken a logic course. Aced it actually. You obviously are trying to make a statement and not get an actual answer. So I'll make a statement.
Atheists in general, listen up: You have to learn to accept that a large portion of the worlds intelligent, sophisticated people, are going to be of a spiritual inclination. There is obviously something built into us that leans towards the spiritual. Learn to accept that someone can be a good intelligent person, and not have the same spiritual belief's as you. It does not automaticaly make them dumb or deficient. HEY CHRISTIANS! Same goes to you. Someone can be catholic, athiest, buddhist, muslim, and STILL be and intelligent good person.
Judge people for themselves, you can rarely judge a group as big as a world religion en mass. You just make yourself sound stupid when you try to, not insightful.
A large portion of the intelligent poeple in the world are christion. And athiest. And msulim, and buddhist. So are a large portion of the worlds stupid people. And mediocre people. And murderouse people. And saintly people.
When you try to classify groups like that you only end up making yourself sound exactly like the closeminded bible belt people you ridecule, the soccer mom utah mormons (side note: my mom is mormon and took her kids to soccer in a minivan. She is a wonderful accepting caring person. She doesn't mind your religion, race, or how you dress. She is for the most part, a stay at home mom, and wishes she were one full time. She is also a business professional who makes a couple hundred thou a year. Stop generalizing) you ridicule. You sound close minded and spiteful, much like those you hate so much.
The athiests who get respect (real respect) and change minds are much the same as the christians and hindu's who are respected and change mind's. They are open minded and respectful. They wouldn't post a loaded question that seeks no truth, they would post an honest question trying to learn about someone else.
Try to act as smart as you claim to be. Try learning about other, instead of preaching to others. you are no better than those you ridicule.
2007-06-03 17:17:06
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answered by riplikash 2
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I have not taken a logic course, and I feel that I am at no detriment in arguing my case logically; however, I don't understand why anyone would be compelled to try and logically argue matters of faith.
2007-06-03 16:55:42
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answered by Lao Pu 4
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College doesn't offer one, but I am just finishing a philosophy of religion class. We learned about Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, the Primal Religions, Christianity, and Judaism....
How many of you non-Christians have learned Greek and read the New Testament in its original tongue?
2007-06-03 16:55:34
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answered by Anonymous
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Plenty of Christians have gone to college.I can deal with many things,but someone implying that they are better than someone else because of their religion,or lack of it,annoys me.
2007-06-03 16:59:59
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answered by Serena 5
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I have. It's a required course in the deaconate program.
2007-06-03 16:56:29
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answered by PaulCyp 7
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How many atheists have? I know I haven't. But take enough science, and you pick it up.
2007-06-03 16:55:26
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answered by eri 7
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