Some say we have no "proof" of Jesus?

Question

Why then, for 2,000 years, have we been judging time by the birth and death of christ? AD & BC.

Also, why are the 2 main holidays in celebration of christ?

I don't think people would base these events on just a puff of air or a fairy tale. Do you?

DUH - I KNOW THAT THE HOLIDAYS WERE PAGAN (SOLTICE) BUT WE CELEBRATE CHRISTS BIRTH AND RESURECTION NOW. WHAT SAY YOU?

And........I am not talking about religion. I am just asking a question about Jesus plain and simple.

Answer 1

great observation!!

Answer 2

The Christian God was very careful to prove Himself when He had the Bible written. It is different from every other book. In it He predicts the future. No other book does this with accuracy. God names names, dates and places so we can check out history and see that He was right. He even gave us the very words someone would say centuries before the fact!

If you were God and you wanted to communicate through a book, you would put things in there only a God could know, such as the future. If you wanted everyone to know that you were going to come in person, you would explain what you were like so you would be recognized. You would put in the city of your birth, where you grew up, what kinds of deeds you would do, your temperament, your purpose, even how you would die.

God did all that in the Old Testament. It was all in book form 400 years before Jesus, the Son of God, came. The New Testament gospels follow Jesus and point out some of the places where He fulfilled the prophecies.

“Daniel 11, written in the 6th century B.C., gives an amazingly thorough account of Alexander’s Grecian kingdom, divided first into four competing factions after his death. It predicts details of the struggle between the Ptolemy and Seleucid empires for a period of 160 years, right down to the advent of the Roman Empire. That is why the skeptics used to claim that the book of Daniel could not have been written before 164 B.C., but now we have proof of a much earlier writing text.

“The prophet Isaiah (44:28) gave the name of a king not yet born and of a kingdom not yet instituted and of an event that would not take place for another 150 years. He predicted that a king named Cyrus would commission the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus did come to the throne in Persia, and in the first year of his reign in 538, he issued a decree that the temple in Jerusalem should be rebuilt. (See 2 Chronicles 36:22-Ezra 1:1-3. This prophecy described in the Bible is confirmed by the discovery of a Babylonian inscription.)

“Daniel actually gave the time when Christ would come into the world and die. Daniel (9:24) predicted that Messiah would be cut off (die) 483 Hebrew years after the issuing of the Persian decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. Artaxerxes Longimanus issued that decree on March 5, 444 B.C. (Neh. 2:1-8), granting the Jews permission to rebuild Jerusalem’s city walls. This, too, is confirmed by archeological discoveries. Four hundred eighty-three prophetic years (360 days to a year) and seven days later, Jesus was crucified as predicted, How could a prophet accurately predict the date of Messiah’s death hundreds of years before it took place, unless he was the ‘voice’ of God as he claimed?”

Thanks to the Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran, we know with certainty the above prophecies date before the occurrence of actual prophesied events.

He has proven His existence perfectly and wonderfully. The Christian God is the true God.

Answer 3

Popularity of an idea is not evidence of the idea's verity.

Remember, the stuff written about Jesus was written decades after he died, if he existed at all. And the official canon of the NT wasn't resolved until hundreds of years after he supposedly died. "AD" and "BC" weren't adopted until 1582 when the Gregorian calendar was adopted. It was an adaptation of the Julian Calendar which was created in 46 BC, well before Jesus would have lived.

It's also interesting to note that the 2 main Christian holidays are were just solstice celebrations that the Christians hijacked.

And, yes, people would base these events on a fairytale. There's plenty of evidence, even in other religions and cults, of holiday events being based on fictional characters.

Answer 4

Actually, yes, they do.

The AD & BC system was put into place by Roman Catholic clerics who dominated Europe.

The 2 main holidays in celebration of Christ were and still are actually 2 main holidays in celebration of pagan rites that were hijacked by the very same people that tended to put pagans to death if they didn't convert to Christianity.

You really don't seem to know your religion's history very well. It's a sad state of affairs. We deplore the revisionist histories that Japanese school children learn, but here we are, in Christiandom, pretending that Jesus has always been the reason for the season when, in point of fact, the reason for Jesus in the season is petty theft of another culture's heritage.

Answer 5

Most Christian holidays replaced the pagan holidays. They did this so there would be a mild transition. Christmas is around the winter solstice...all of the adornments at Christmas are pagan...the tree, decorations gift giving, feasting. The Amish celebrate in the most simplest of ways-Jesus was not materialistic.
Easter is the Spring equinox...A time of new life the earth is reborn and follows the res erection.
All of Jesus history was created 350 years after his death. many of his accounts are here say, and you know if a story is told that long afterwards it is probably exagerated.

Answer 6

There is no proof

We have a holiday for the Easter Bunny an Santa Clause they aren't true.

The 'Jesus' of Paul (Saul of Tarsus) existed only in 'spiritual' realms. There was nothing to differentiate the 'Christ Cult' from the OTHER 'savior cults' which were popular at the time... Mithras, Adonis, etc.

Early Christians, such as Paul, had no inkling of the idea that Jesus ever existed as an actual human person who lived in the recent past. In all of the genuine (not forged) writings of Paul, there are only two references to events that can even be interpreted as having taken place on the human plane of existence, absent the mental contamination that comes from having read the Gospels, and interpreting them in that light. Paul omits essentially ALL (two exceptions) of the details of the supposed 'life' of Jesus that are 'revealed' in the Gospels. Pretty odd, huh?

It is most likely that as early Christian missionaries came into contact with pagans, "spreading the word", that they gradually became aware that the people they were addressing were interpreting their message as a story about an actual person... not someone who figuratively and metaphorically existed (and had existed) only in imaginary spiritual realms. So, they figured... why fight it? These boneheads are swallowing this fable hook-line-and-sinker, in a way that we never anticipated. We need to build off this unexpected success by developing some real, heavy-duty marketing materials.

Thus... the Gospels.

Mark was the 'first-draft', written near the end of the 1st century. Fair outline, but sketchy on details.

Matthew and Luke, probably written shortly after the beginning of the 2nd century, were competing 'second-drafts', written using Mark as a template, expanding on the Mark outline and creating scenarios in which to incorporate 'sayings of Jesus', which were actually a Judaized version of snippets of 'wisdom' from the Greek 'cynic' school of philosophy, written down in the supposed 'Q-document' (look up 'Synoptic Gospels'). They were both tried out 'in the field', to see which one was received better. Unfortunately, both drafts escaped 'into the wild'. (You can't un-ring a bell.)

John... who the heck knows where John came from. Probably some mid-2nd century intellectual who just thought that he could do a much better job spinning a yarn, than the authors of the amateurish tripe that was presently in circulation.

The existence of FOUR Gospels (rather than just one) is consequence of the fact that there was no mechanism in place for recalling and suppressing earlier versions of their marketing materials. So, over the centuries, Christian apologists have made a career out of trying to explain-away the glaring discrepancies.

I'm especially delighted with the bone-heads that point out all of the prophecies that were fulfilled by Jesus. LOL. Think of this:

* Look into some old document that makes a lot of predictions.

* Make a list of these 'prophecies'

* Create a work of fiction which weaves in the items from the list as 'plot elements' in a series of vignettes.

Excluding the 40-days that he (supposedly) spent in the desert, the entire new testament accounts for only abour 3-weeks in the 'life of Jesus'... and a quarter of the world's population shapes their lives around this mythological drivel.

Answer 7

There is no historical evidence that the Jesus character of the christian mythology ever lived.

Christian mythology was based on pagan mythology:

http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/getting_started_pocm.html

"You'll discover Christianity did not copy myths. Christianity copied the ancient western conceptual model of the universe, including the religious ideas around which each ancient religion built it's own myths. The myths are similar because the religious ideas they are built on are similar."

"You'll discover there is no consistent, reasoned analysis of the evidence that can pick out Christianity as fundamentally different from other ancient Pagan religions. Christianity is an ancient Pagan religion."

Answer 8

First, I think the existence of Jesus is proven fact. He was a man who did exist. That doesn't mean that he was a god though.
The "2 main holidays" and the Christian calendar are still around because they have been in use for a long time and in general reflect the views of the majority of the western world where they were invented.
Just because we continue to use them does not automatically mean that Jesus is the savior however. If that was the case, you could argue that pounds and ounces were a god because we haven't switched to metric yet.

Answer 9

Because for many years the main power in the world was the roman catholic church which all christian religions broke off from even though they bristle to hear that.

So yes, they created the martyr, they created the way we looked at time, they created the holidays (stole actually from pagans) in celebration of the human being they chose to make divine. Notice now, BC & AD are not popular usage.

Answer 10

Your post is very childish, and beyond demonstrating you to be young and naive is worthless. You are obviously not aware that no one believes that Jesus was born at 1 a.d. Also, the fact that christians before you have been deluded ad nauseum is in no way proof that their delusions are other than delusions. Your final question is very childish. If you are only 10 years old, then I forgive you for this childishness.

Answer 11

So, you're basing your proof of Christ on the use of the Gregorian calender, started by Pope Gregory XIII, a Xian, on it's usage of Ad and BC.

And the two holidays you're also talking about is Yule and Passover, both taken over by the Xian church.

Good proof. or should I say Poof, and it is gone.

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men...The Shadow knows!