physics says the bumblebee cant fly cos of wing to size ratio yet it does so please answer my question?

Question

if sceince was so wrong about this bee how can atheists claim science prove god isnt real

oh boy i read something in a book about bumblebees and asked question never knew being curious could get me so many hostile answers

just did a quite check on a search engine got 995 websites all saying bumblebees cant fly are u say the internet is lying to me?

just done another internet search did you know 35 sites claim kangroos can't jump?
what going on? where is the trueth

Answer 1

Because of a process called "gluconeogenesis " ( don't ask me the exact steps, it's been awhile ) they can generate the extra energy needed to fly . Most organisms get energy by breaking down more complex sugars/starches to get glucose . Bumble bees do this , but they also take the elemental forms of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen , from air and water, and synthesize it into glucose . To put it more simply, the normal process is to extract glucose from another substance, while in gluconeogenesis , the bumble bees make it from scratch.

Answer 2

What complete nonsense. Scientists would never say that because it is a demonstrable empirical observation – the most basic unit of the scientific method.

It you want specifics, OK. Bumble bees cannot glide like a bird or plane. Lift equations for rigid wings don’t apply to the bees – or pigs. Insects move their wings in such a way that the air drops off the back of the wing and creates a pool of air that that creates lift. It takes a little time to build up this reservoir of air and, hence, the reason they need to get their wings moving before liftoff.

It is also nonsense that Atheists say they can prove God does not exist. Science makes no such claim one way or the other because it cannot be scientifically investigated. Supernatural explanations are, by definition, excluded from the scientific process.

The only thing proven here is that you, as with every conservative Christian, do not know jack about science – but that sure does not stop you from falsely pretending that you do.

Why are conservative Christians so dishonest? Is it a tenet of your religion?

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You have just demonstrated why information is dangerous in the hands of uneducated people. It does not matter haw many ‘hits’ you get saying bees cannot fly. Each and every one of them is wrong – as is much internet crap. It is up to the individual to learn how to critically evaluate information and the sources of information.

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Further, yours was not an ‘innocent’ question. It was an attack against Atheists and to a lesser extent science in a lame effort to promote your personal belief in an imaginary supernatural being and a book written by semi-nomadic tribes of illiterate goat herders who lived thousands of years ago.

Answer 3

Physics says nothing of the sort. It's a long held urban myth and it's nonsense. In fact a bumblebee's wings are not large enough to sustain flight based upon the laws of aeronautics, which is an entirely different thing. However, aeronautics deals entirely with the physics of fixed lifting surfaces and does not take into account the action of air vortices created by the movement of flexible wings. In other words, if a bumblebee had fixed wings it could not fly, but you can say that about a lot of birds and bats, too. "Science" is not wrong in this instance, nor in the instance that it holds that the existence of a "God" is completely unnecessary to explain the world around us and the Universe at large. Bumblebees can fly and we know how and why they can fly, through the development of hypotheses to explain their method of flight and patient experimentation to prove (or disprove) those hypotheses - in other words, classic scientific methodology. We also know that there is absolutely no evidence anywhere for the existence of any sort of "God".

Answer 4

According to the models that the physicists were using of how a bumblebee flies, it appeared to be impossible for a bumblebee to fly. The answer, of course, was that their model was wrong, which any zoologist could have told them.

The lesson there is that scientists can be led down an incorrect path if their data is faulty. This is especially true if the scientists are investigating things outside their normal area of expertise.

As an atheist and a scientist, I have yet to see anyone scientifically prove that god is not real. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that god is not necessary, but that's not quite the same thing. There is also no evidence that god exists. Again, not quite the same thing.

Scientific evidence can support a position of agnosticism, definitely.

However, for me, atheism is actually a matter of faith. I simply do not 'feel' a supernatural presence. I do not believe that such an entity exists. I cannot provide scientific evidence for this non-existence, but I definitely believe it.

Answer 5

it's nonsense. In fact a bumblebee's wings are not large enough to sustain flight based upon the laws of aeronautics, which is an entirely different thing. However, aeronautics deals entirely with the physics of fixed lifting surfaces and does not take into account the action of air vortices created by the movement of flexible wings. In other words, if a bumblebee had fixed wings it could not fly, but you can say that about a lot of birds and bats, too. "Science" is not wrong in this instance, nor in the instance that it holds that the existence of a "God" is completely unnecessary to explain the world around us and the Universe at large. Bumblebees can fly and we know how and why they can fly, through the development of hypotheses to explain their method of flight and patient ex

Answer 6

Oh sad Ron. You're wrong about what 'physics says' and you're wrong about what atheists claim 'science prove'.

Mostly, atheists don't claim that science DISPROVES the existance of a god, they simply claim there is NO PROOF for the existance of a god.

By the way, not fully understanding how something works does not mean the explanation must then be magic or 'miraculous'.

Answer 7

Physics doesn't say a bumblebee can't fly. Aerodynamically, it looks like it should not be ABLE to fly (it's not streamlined, its wings look too small to carry the weight, etc.) The statement was an ANECDOTE, not any kind of scientific fact and was likely made in gest, because the follow up said the bumblebee succeeds under its own arrogance.

Answer 8

Because no honest atheist would say that science can disprove God.

And aerodynamics has shown how bubble bees fly. This wing to size ratio thing is false. It is a wives tale.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_045.html
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040911/mathtrek.asp
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/5/10/9

So the obvious question would be...

Since a theist can be so wrong about something that takes 10 seconds to look up, does that disprove God?

I got 188,000 sites from the search of "Chupacabra is real" The difference is that we have reputable sites.

Answer 9

Physics says that we aren't sure how a bee flies but they are working on it.

Atheists DO NOT say that science disproves the existence of god(s). God(s) are not nessecary to explain things anymore because we have science. More to the point, we have no evidence to suggest that god(s) exist or which one.

Answer 10

Helicopters. Harrier aircraft? The speed of the movement of the wings of a bee generate sufficient downdraught to negate wing to size ratio?