Are any other Christians getting sick of these answers?

Question

Why are we, the piddly little Christians on Y!A, being accused of trying to change the religious/political landscape of USA when 'they' have taken every hint of God out of schools and are moving into public/government areas? Who's changing what?

What do all the wars that have ever been fought over religion thousands of years ago have to do w/ us now? Have you fought a religious war lately?

Do you ever read the answer "Stop trying to shove God down my throat" when you are just honestly asking a question? Do you feel you are "shoving"?

How many of you are hypocrites and bigots? According to many responders, we - as christians - are all bigots and hypocrites. I had one guy say that EVERY christian he had ever met were hypocrites and bigots.

Is there any other Christians out there who are getting sick of these answers or do you think these answers are justified?
How do you respond?

Did you notice that the "others" did not respond to this post?

Answer 1

I couldn't agree with you more.I am so sick of all the world's problems being blamed on God and his servants.You know they have to blame us because their life is in such term oil -they can't blame themselves . Why are their actions so justified?
They say we judge yet they judge.They say we think we are perfect- yet they think that of themselves.One day hopefully it won't be to late - they will wish someone did shove God down their throat.I have heard many people say they were thankful afterwards someone witnessed to them and prayed for them.
We are not trying to shove God down their throat I am real sorry they think that.We just want them to see and understand God as we do.They don't because they haven't be born again-until they have that spiritual awaking they will always see it that way.
They think Christians always has to be nice and gentle and let people run over them.The bible tells us to be Bold.And he also tells us to spread the Gospel.But in Psalms it says once you have given them the word and they reject it , to swipe the dust off your feet.
That means leave them alone!!And that's what I do.
If they don't like Christians or our God why do they hang out in where Christians will be. They want to know more or they'd stay out.Or the devil leads them to come here and be evil to try and discourage us.
Those are my thoughts.Thanks for a good question and good words.God Bless You


The difference between Christians and the world is we are sinners saved by grace and they are still lost in their sins.

Answer 2

One word for you, Kaliko -- generalization. In two words, sweeping generalization.

Happens here all the time; "ALL Christians are/do/say ..", and it gets even further broken down to "Catholics or Protestants or fundamentalists or JWs or Mormons ALWAYS ...". But on the other hand, there are also questions and answers that make the same big, broad statements about other faiths -- or atheists, or agnostics, or Wiccans, or what-have-you. A good deal of those come from at least nominal (as far as we can tell, given the anonymity here) Christians.

If the questions/answers begin to feel as if you're being held accountable not only for your own faith but also the entire history of Christianity and every action of everyone who has ever called him/herself Christian, then it's usually best to take a step back from R&S for a day or two ... because this is the nature of the forum, and there will always be people who reach for the first big generalization that suits their purpose.

I sometimes call folks on it, sometimes not, depending on the tone of the question in general and my ability at the time to remain civil; if there's a doubt on that, I don't respond. It serves no purpose to spout off defensively and just gives the folks using broad brushes more paint, so to speak!

Answer 3

"Why are we, the piddly little Christians on Y!A, being accused of trying to change the religious/political landscape of USA when 'they' have taken every hint of God out of schools and are moving into public/government areas? Who's changing what?"

Read the U.S. Constitution. Read the contemporaneous writings of the founders. Learn history. The U.S. was founded as a secular republic: of, by, and for the people. The founders didn't want religion getting entangled with politics, or politics in religion.

Religion has no place in government. If a religion can't find enough adherents on its own, or if the members don't follow the rules voluntarily, it is not okay to pass civil laws to force people to do so. It's not okay to use taxpayer money to support religion, any religion. Religion is a personal choice.

The problem that many atheists have is that some christians want special privileges. They want to plaster their religious symbols all over the place, even if it's unconstitutional. Of course we fight back. We'd be fools not to.

Answer 4

I didn't want to respond, because the question was directed at Christians. Obviously my respect wasn't appreciated, because in your added details you whine about how "the others" don't respond.

Freedom of religion means that every religion should be treated equally. In the USA one god is clearly favourtized over all the other gods. Freedom of religion means All gods on a pledge AND no god on a pledge. That's what freedom implies.

It means ALL gods in schools AND no god in school. Not only one particular god in school.

I can understand how a Christian doesn't clearly understand what freedom of religion is, really. I'm a Dutch atheist. It was only after visiting this R&S section that I learned that the Dutch atheistic majority also doesn't really understand what freedom of religion is. In my country "no god" is clearly favourtized, which is also kinda unfair. It takes being a minority to understand that. Ask any American Pagan or Muslim about freedom of religion, and they will all say it's unfair.

Putting one god on money, in a pledge and in schools in an injustice towards freedom of religion. Taking that one god out of it, is simply undoing a prior injustice.

Besides that, I agree with you on the other points. Look through all my questions and answers, and you will see I never use those things. Religious wars blaming on currenct Christians is just as silly as blaming atheists for Stalin.

I know that 90% of the Christians are basically normal, loving people. However, it still scares me that those 90% obviously don't take a stand against the horrible spokes persons that represent Christianity. People like Falwell, Robertson, Phelps, Bush.

I'd like to see more Christians take a firm stand against the hatred these people spread.

But, I do agree with you on the point that every group has its horrible fundamentalists. Also atheists.

Answer 5

I'll start off by seconding the thoughts of Sybil, Sun, and Thrice.

You can't make the rules of society based upon an interpertation of a 2000 year old book. Society and humanity have to evolve as social thought evolves, regardles of the bible. 150 years ago, almost all Christians though slavery was ok and felt the Black race was inferior, and they could cite old and new testament scripture to prove it.

The same thing is happening today: examine the debates around ID, Gay Marriage/Adoption, HPV vaccine, abstinance only, and dominionism. The "conservatives" position hinge on the sole fact they think that they have the bible on their side. Well, some of us reject your bible and choose to be ruled by intelectual, democratic process. You can't outlaw something just becuase your "God" supposedly said it was bad 2000 years ago.

This is not a nation founded on Christianity, it is a nation found on Secular liberty. All we want is the liverty from your religious beliefs. Christians wanting to outlaw X because the bible says it's bad is like jews and muslims trying to ban the sale of pork because thier scriptures say it's bad. They're not supposed to eat pork so they don't buy it. You're agaisnt abortion - don't get an abortion. No one is forcing abelief system on you. But by working to outlaw abortion and overturn Roe v. Wade, Christians are forcing us to live undfer their made up belief system. God doesn't mention abortion, so Christians need to take God out of the debate.

Answer 6

That means that these are signs of a born again Christian. It doesn't mean that we all go around drinking poison and playing with snakes for the heck of it because that's testing God and that's a sin. But if it was to come down to it where we were forced to drink poison or handle a snake our faith in Jesus will protect us. Some people do heal the sick but not all and it has to be in Jesus will for that person to be healed because sometimes Jesus has reasons for a person to be sick. For example like Paul's "thorn in his side". Jesus wouldn't take it away even though Paul asked him to. It didn't mean Jesus didn't love Paul, but he had his reasons. It could have been to keep him humble so he wouldn't become a proud person. Sometimes your circumstances can be a blessing in disguise

Answer 7

The comments, if not their delivery, are quite justified.

Is the President of the US not attempting to re write the US Constitution to prohibit gay marriage? He wants the Christian definition (one man one woman) written into law.

Christian prayers never belonged in the public schools. The right to pray, sure, but not teachers leading groups of children in Christian prayers (or any other) regardless of their faith.

I hate to tell you but Bush himself has made the war in Iraq a holy war against the Muslim terrorists. Not the Saudi terrorists (most alleged terrorists involved in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia) but the MUSLIM terrorists.

Honestly asking a question is fine. Assuming that others have no morals because they do not believe as you do or telling them that they will burn eternally in your hell unless they convert and repent is clearly shoving a religion at others - no matter how you try to pass it off as just 'being concerned'.

Most Christians who post here are indeed hypocrites. I admit to knowing a few who are not. But it is hard to shake that label when most focus on the sins of others and when faced with their own either ignore them or give the "we're not perfect" line. Of course you are not perfect, no one is. So why spend time pointing out the sins of others? Do they not get to use "I'm not perfect" as well? Divorced people claiming homosexuals are ungodly sinners is pretty hypocritical, don't you think?

Read a few posts from Christians aimed at those who do not believe in their god or their religion and see if you can't see a bit of hypocricy or "shoving".

Answer 8

I'm always amazed when they say things like that. Especially in light of the fact that our American society is becoming increasingly more secular and hateful against those of faith. The way to deal with it when you ask a question is to note which answers are from atheists and simply pass over their answers without a thumbs-up or down. Usually the ones crying "bigot" and "intolerance" are the most bigoted and intolerant. Just ignore them. Most of them, anyway. There are some decent atheists who come here because they truly want to understand a believers point of view, and they ask good questions.

Answer 9

I think we all are guilty of noticing the rude anonymous posts and ignoring the benign answers and the benevolent answers.

The deindividuation on the Internet allows many people to be randomly rude with no consequences. Many of the ruder people who post are "trolls" who claim to be the opposite of their belief and write excessively rude posts or foolish posts to make someone else's belief look bad.

It is just the price we pay for reading what is written on an international (world wide actually) anonymous graffiti wall.

Answer 10

we fight wars every day, good against evil, love against hate.
while we can ignore most of the offensive question, and over look the offensive answers, we should always try to answer hate with love.
as for trying to convert others, all we can do is sow seeds, and water, God gives the increase.