Something is wrong in our belief about God..!?

Question

God created everything correct?
God created Lucifer, the devil, satan correct?
Which means that God created evil because the l,d,s was perfect at creation.
So if God created evil (Imperfection) this means he isnt perfect himself.
God must have known about evil to create it and if he knows evil then he must have experienced evil which makes him not perfect.
Do you see were i am going with this...
If God is the least bit imperfect then everything we have been told is a lie.
One more thing.
How did God, All knowing, all seeing, miss the fact that one third of his perfect creations would go bad or imperfect. This in itself says that he isnt perfect.
Unless this is the way he planned it...But that would make him evil as well. (Torturing mankind for his own satisfaction.)
Using your brain and not falling back on useless quotes tell me why i am or how i could be wrong....Please i would like to know.
Thanks in advance.

Answer 1

Can you love someone ugly, sick, and dyeing? God does. In human eyes, all such things might look imperfect, but imperfection is not a condition God stop loving. I personally believe God loves Lucifer, too.

Answer 2

Fair enough question, but your definition of "perfect" is imperfect. The assumption that something that is perfect cannot create something that is imperfect is only accurate if it is unintentional. If you choose to paint a painting that is distorted, that does not make the painting imperfect. It just makes it distorted. What does that say about the painter? Just that he wanted a distorted painting.

Your assumption that God is evil because he "tortures" mankind is inaccurate as well. You are missing the overall big picture. If God exists, then God exists in eternity. Your life, no matter how bad it is, is a blip in an infinite universe of infinite time. If God rewards you for your life, then what is evil about it, regardless of what happens? Relatively speaking, how is it different than your parents disciplining you to keep you out of trouble or making you eat your broccoli, only to reward you when you do well? That said, I don't mean to sell you completely short. If you do not believe in eternal life, then you have a valid argument. But if God does exist, then eternal life and eternal good are theoretical realities. Your assumptions do not necessitate an imperfect or evil God at all. You are basically limiting your perception based on a fundamental and flawed human point of view.

That said, I don't personally believe in Satan. If he does exist, he is irrelevant. People have a CHOICE between good and evil. People fully have the potential to do good. They have the potential to do what is right and to make this world the paradise it should be. What would life be like if we did not have free will? But with free will comes the ability to choose evil. Ultimately, what you are blaming God for is not God's fault. It is OUR fault. We have the ability to stop torture and hunger and poverty, but collectively we CHOOSE not to. There is nothing forcing an individual to spend his time and money on himself instead of helping others. We all choose not to do it. So how is that God's fault? I argue that it isn't. Many, many people choose to do good every day. If everyone else did, too, none of these problems you put forth would even exist.

Answer 3

First, Lucifer is not Satan
The Dragon, Ancient Serpent, The Devil called Satan.
It is natural if you created something good that evil must come along to know the difference.
When God said, "Let there be light, you should consider that HE was in the dark." so again have something to compare with.
You should also take into consideration that when the fall of Adam happened, He Said, "Now that man have become like us, knowing Good and Evil." already connotes that He is both.

1Samuel 16::14 Now the spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul, and "evil spirit" from the Lord tormented him.

1Samuel 18:10 The next day "an evil" spirit from god came forcefully upon Saul.

If God created what you think is perfect for you. then our lives will just be like a robot moving along a similar time clock in one direction, everything is square or straight line,
You are a perfect human body but have you not wonder why do you have limbs for every use or purpose. Why do you have to make waste that takes your precious time at work or at rests. Why there are ugly and why there are beautiful in your perceptions? Why do we have to live and then die?
A puzzle of different shapes and forms when successfully put together, creates a perfect picture it wants to convey.
How can God let man know if he is doing what is right if he would not know what is wrong? Perhaps God was trying to make Adam a perfect man that should know only what is right but Adam failed that is why God said , Now that they become like us knowing good and evil. It is probably letting us know that we both possess those inherent qualities and it is with our choice that we will be tested in reaching our desired destiny.
I just wonder if everybody is a doctor and there is no patient to cure. Will it still be a perfect world? Why can't we combine all our imperfections and fit them to harmoniously create a balance and live in a seemingly perfect world?

Answer 4

There is actually a verse in Isaiah that quotes God as saying "I create good and evil..." All things were created by God with the foreknowledge that some would be evil. Does this make God "imperfect"? Let me answer this with another question: Where does our concept of "perfect" come from? The problem isn't that God is imperfect or that we "believe a lie". The problem is that we, in our pride and arrogance, have redefined perfection to fit our own IMperfect ideas. God alone is the metre whereby perfection is measured. But when we redefine perfection according to flawed human ideas, it is WE who err, not God. God is still perfect, the only thing that has changed is our perception of perfection.

Answer 5

> God created everything correct?
Nope. Some things have arisen as consequences of what G-d made; other things as the result of Him giving free will to some of His creations.

> God created Lucifer, the devil, satan correct?
Correct.

> Which means that God created evil
Not necessarily. G-d created the potential for Evil by giving his high angels free will. He did it again when He gave Adam and Eve free will.

> this means he isnt perfect himself.
Not by OUR definition of perfect. He didn't learn from his mistake of giving the high angels free will -- He repeated that mistake when giving Adam and Eve free will.

> everything we have been told is a lie.
Not everything. The sky is still blue. Okay, it's a shade of grayish orange (I'm in the Los Angeles area).

Answer 6

Well I'm not going to even begin to try and understand the infinite wisdom of our creator, but I do have a few ideas if I may. :-)

I am a firm believer that the Genesis story was written for people who would never understand, or sit through the billions of year long story that we are now just starting to understand and even gave it the name evolution. Why do I bring that up? Well to try an illustrate a point. That point being to make an omlete you have to break a few eggs.

I personally believe that it's a few million years too early to point the finger at God and tell him he's a phoney, because he isn't finished yet. Here's my string of logic that I have to go to if you won't let me quote the bible, which I can respect concidering your point of view, purhaps this will get you to think a little more outside the box about the infinite :-)

So according to the old story God was lonely and he wanted to create man. Well God is love, and God is, as you say to start your process,perfect. He's also so righteous that sinful folks like us can't even be in his presence without getting ripped apart, (hence the way God told the Israelites to build his tabernacle with the part where he would show up completely sealed off from the people, and maybe also what happened to the enemies of the Israelites when the Ark of the Covenant went into battle with them), Well anyway his end goal is to have a bunch of people to hang out with who love him as much as he loves them. So he makes his angels knowing full well what will happen, it's part of the recipe. Then he makes the world, and the animals, and Adam and Eve, knowing full well what'll happen. But just like it took billions of years to make the world, it's taking god a long time to get to the original goal. Folks who argue like you are seem to think that making Adam and Eve and the angels was what he set out to do and that he failed horribly. What I am submitting to you is that the angels and Adam and Eve, were just the beginning of the process. God wants people to hang out with who love him. He could have just made people who loved him sure, but where's the love in that? Without free will true love is impossible. So he made all these beings with free will, knowing full well thaat they would have to go through a whole process before they could come to him, and be with him the way he wants it to be. The process of rebellion. It's kinda like raising kids :-) they hate you while they're growing up, but after they leave the house they figure things out, and realize a few things, and come home with a new take on their relationship with you. I believe that's how it is with God. Jesus is a big part of the process because he is God in human form, and is the bridge between our rebelious "teenager" selves, if you will, and the loving, sin free heavenly bodies he wants us to become, So, what I am submitting to you is, you can't say his creation is imperfect because he's still creating it. :-)

Answer 7

Would you be open to the truth if you did hear it? These very questions refer to what God said when he said without knowledge, My people perish....evil was FOUND in the devil which IS lucifer and satan...the three are different aspects of one...it never once says God created them evil...but it also doesnt say HOW evil came to them...questions to be answered in time....who are we to say what is perfect or not...your mind cannot concieve the vastness of the universe and go into every part of this universe and come up with a solid anwser...no one can...But if you studied the words of God and the men who know God you would know if God were to lie...we would all be gone in a split-seconds time. and again...who are you to state you know what and what is not perfect??? ONLY man in his arrogence thinks the perfect only contains good factors...if you look at life...the hardships are what make you appreciate the good...and without them it would not be perfect...because people who only get good do not appriecate it and never get the joy they should have from it......And if you are using your brain...which to me sounds like your going off half-assed without the knowledge behind your acusations did you even read the Bible to find out any of these questions? Because if you did you would see that the first thing that Jesus did when he got the keys of death and power back from the devil...was he turned around and gave mankind the power back by the use of the tongue...which is how God created the world in the first place and how we create our own worlds....He didnt want to be the dictator but gave every man the freedom to build his own life...but man in his stupidity and arrogence has done nothing but blame God for his own ignorance towards life not assuming the responsablity of learning to have the knowledge to win. MAN NOT GOD has tortured themselves...you loose at this life if you say you do...not God....you have a free will....so QUIT blaming GOD!! there are too many cases of people who know the truth and are free from fear and evil to put in this paragraph...who may not have all the answers of things such as you ask but know Gods power is always loving and good and kind and merciful to those that love him. We are made in his image...and it is not over yet...ask these questions when you get to the end. Then you will know. But I bet my bottom dollar it is not evil but truth that wins and that is in my book....perfect.....by the way....the word luck goes back to the word lucifer and means empowered to fail...the word blessing means empowerd to prosper....Knowledge is power...know all your p's and q's before you go making judgements please...if you do read the Bible...get a Vines concordance to know the words...which have alot of meanings we take for granted everyday and dont even know what they really mean. And please get your facts straight....dont assume. The truth will set you free...

Answer 8

Lucifer is not evil. Lucifer works for God tempting souls to weed out the ones who are not yet ready to return home to Heaven. God gave soul free will, yet they must pay the consequences for actions that go against universal laws. All souls "go bad or imperfect" as a result of their free will, but God gives them all of eternity to explore this free will and realize they want to come back to heaven and abide by universal laws. God does not torture mankind, we must simply live out the effects of the ill thought out causes we put forth.

This is the short answer to a long question, but with the limits of this box ... there you have it. Just another perspective to peruse.

Answer 9

To begin with God's ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts! This is hard to comprehend--Say you are God and one of your own decides he wants to get greedy and take over your position--now what would the other angels think if God destroyed that individual--Would they see him as a God of Love? Also there are many things that we must take (as believers in God) on faith--faith is the acceptance of things not yet seen--again, we are talking about a spirit--a spirit that is the Ancient of Days--that is the I am--not the I was, or the I will be--humans want to see everything in a box all calculated and making perfect sense--well it is not like that--the soul is our mind, will and emotions--it dies when we die--the spirit within us is another whole thing! Bottom line you either accept the unseen or you reject it--I mean after all--Would you want someone to be your friend because they "had to be" or "because they wanted to be"? So, we are given a choice--now we must have something there in order to "choose"--and we do! Your Choice!

Answer 10

We would not have the benefit of knowing His unending grace, mercy and love if there wasn't something created to judge it by. How would we know goodness if all were perfect? How would we know of His mercy if there was no wrong or right?Similarly, how would we know "good times" if we hadnt been through bad times. Gods creation is meant to guide us to Him. If there wasn't an opposite of everything under the sun, we'd have no soul.