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In doing so they accept the authority of the Church and of the pope who defined it.

2007-06-01 08:39:27 · 5 answers · asked by carl 4 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Tertullian was a Catholic until he became a Donatist.

2007-06-01 09:09:29 · update #1

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Hmmmmmmmmm because it was never one thing indispute. If you do not believe in the Trinity (and you believe int he Holy Spirit and Jesus) then by definition you are polytheistic. Which you cannot be according to the Abrahamic covenant.

"In beginning was the Word (Jesus is always referred to as the Logos or Word (not the bible that is small w word), and the Word was towards the God, and God was
the Word." John 1:1-3


Then Jesus approached and said to them, "All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age."
Matthew 28: 18-20

You know the word (that) he sent to the Israelites as he proclaimed peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all,
what has happened all over Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached,
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth 16 with the holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all those oppressed by the devil, for God was with him
Acts 10:36-38

Besides Tertullian who first developed the concept of the Trinity (long before the council of Nicea) lived before the Catholic Church as you would define it today. These communities did meld into the group you would identify as Roman Catholic but they were not led in the way you are presenting and Tertullian was never Bishop of Rome.


EDIT:
As I stated you said:
pope who defined it, Tertullian was never a Pope. Nor was their a Pope in the definition of whaat we know Pope to be. The Catholic Church as we know it was not in existence at the time. If you believe it was then you believe that Peter was the first Pope directly annointed by Jesus and therefore does have the authority.

PS. Tertullian wrote the Trinity doctrine after his split with what you would call the "Catholic" church. and he became a Monatist.(which he was in 216).

Donatists did not even come around until after the reign of Diocletian in the early 300's. Tetullian had already been dead over 70 years.

Donatist drew from Tertullian's writings because much of what he wrote was consider heretical by the Church at the time.

So again, nothing you are stating is actually correct regarding the Catholic and Christian acceptance of the Trinity doctrine.

2007-06-01 08:55:42 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

The concept of the Trinity is actually based on the Godhead that is mentioned in the Bible. Those outside of the Catholic church do not normally refer to it as the Trinity.

So, the concept of the Trinity was in existence long before it was made a "dogma" by the Catholic church.

Occasionally the Catholic church gets some things right. Just because those outside the Catholic church may believe the concepts that the Catholics actually get right, does not mean we accept the Church's Authority.

There is only one authority..

"And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth." Matthew 28:18

2007-06-01 16:11:12 · answer #2 · answered by TG 4 · 0 0

Dogma is defined as 'looking on the sea of time in tradition and what has held to be true and not contrary to Scripture', it is something that is not 'codified' if you will--but you are on very sound theological ground to support that which in dogmatic. You can disagree with dogma and still be a "good" Catholic.

Doctrine is something set in stone and must be believed to be Catholic. Period.

The Trinity is the most important part of the DOCTRINE of the Church.

The Protestants that answer refuse to look deeply into your question because it opens up a can of worms. They must accept all the doctrines of the Church to be unified with Christ To admit that is frightening and they'll come up with mumbo-jumbo as you have seen thus far. They will fall back on 'it's in the Bible", then ask them....'where did this Bible come from?" Once it is established that the Catholic THEIR foundation? They have none.

2007-06-03 02:01:54 · answer #3 · answered by Michelle_My_Belle 4 · 1 0

The Catholic Church believes that "all Truth is God's Truth."

So when it sees that it shares a common theological belief with another Christian denomination or religion altogether, it properly acknowledges the other denominations/religions as promoting a Truth of God.

Where is the sense in the Church proclaiming a given Truth, but then denying that same Truth when it is proclaimed by another denomination/religion?

This is akin to having two people approach you with exactly the same information. You are inclined to accept the information as unquestionably factual from the person you like, but then reject the same information as unreliable because you do not like the second person.

Why do you judge the credibility of God's Truth depending on who the messenger is?

2007-06-04 11:28:25 · answer #4 · answered by Daver 7 · 1 0

Cant find the word trinity in the bible? does the word say hear ye o Israel the lord God is 3 ? it is made clear, Isa44:24"thus saith the Lord thy redeemer,and he that formed thee from the womb,I AM THE LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ALONE;that spreadeth abroad the earth BY MYSELF ". GOD says he is by HIMSELF. john 1:1. says the WORD made all things.is not JESUS CHRIST THE word of God ? it says the word was GOD.

2007-06-02 21:12:17 · answer #5 · answered by mark F 2 · 0 0

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