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the world exists and would be considered something .... common sense

it is not possible as far as we know to create something from nothing ..... common sense

therefore the conclusion that something has always existed and is eternal... common sense

now if you follow existance throughout all time... the source for all things that exist... is God.... common sense

now I use the term God to denote the name of that which has always been... the eternal something from which all things came...

some would disagree and say we evolved from and event at the beginning of time called the big bang... and I would say if that was true then didn't something bang together... common sense

and if something did bang then didn't it exist... common sense

so the next question is what banged together to start the chain of events that lead to us here discussing it... and NO ONE can say with certainty... so I just refer back to my original statement that

Everything came from something that has always existed how and why are left to arguement among the many ideas... but none the less I will call this existance GOD... an existance or being or force or whatever you want to call it... as the source of my exist and therefore my creator

now doesn't that make common sense? (seriously)

purple voodoo you need to do what all atheist accuse theist of... continue reading... i said i defined God for myself not for you

you will call it what you want to anyway

Atheists are dumb you typed this...
Miller experiement proved that amino acids can be "created" from a 60,000 volt bolt of electricity runing through a vacuum containing nothing more than methane and ammonium.

am i missing something or isn't a bolt of electricity, methane, and ammonium something

Footprints in the sand typed this
You just ASSUME your god is the only reason everything exists.

i don't assume i believe this... you can believe whatever you want...

i am simply stating that something has always existed and is eternal ... what you call it is your interpretation

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I'm sorry but your logic is a bit flawed. If everything as always existed (by your own admission)

where did you read this... i checked and didn't see it... i did say that everything can from something... that is theory behind both creationism and evolution

Up an Away.... typed this

And all of this is silly, anyway, because time is not the infinite expanse you postulate: time started at the Big Bang, when matter and spacetime emerged from the Singularity.

I am talking about the Singularity from which all things emerged from both time and space... this Singularity you speak of is the One true God... regardless of what you call it... it is the source of all things that exist... the force and energy behind all things... making it the creator... or the Singularity that banged

is that better

sorry David to me Logic is common sense.. oh so you know Logic or Logos is the word used to describe Jesus in the gospels... but aside from that the common sense that the earth was flat and the center of the universe was considered science in its time... creationist who studied the bible and older scriptures that Catholic church forbad knew the whole workings of Astronomy... at least the book of Enoch makes it plain what they knew at least 500 years before Christ

Answer 1

We exist in a dualistic state, "God" being the most used term for it. I shall use that term only to clarify. God is everything and nothing, the alpha and omega, good and evil, and so on... just plug any dichotomy into the equation. Nothing can only be the singular awareness of itself, therefore it is a state of being without anything to experience. Pretty boring huh? This is where the concept of Lucifer enters the picture. Lucifer thinks he can be a better God, one that ain't so boring. So that part of God, which is Lucifer, chooses to separate himself from God. God says" word to your mother", and BANG! Existence explodes into being, just like the birth of anything, and every new choice since then has expanded the infinite into places unknown. God and Lucifer are just metaphors to describe the process of creation (aka evolution). Just think of it in terms of reproduction (pro-creation). The father sends you (the sperm) off into your Mother (the World). You then gestate within her, eventually it's time to go and then all hell breaks loose. It's Hell for a few moments, but then everyone relaxes and the free will and loving can commence.

Answer 2

Certainly common, but not very sensible. It all starts to fall apart on your second premise: you may have been told endlessly that you can't get 'something from nothing', but that's just not universal. Check out Virtual Particles at your favourite reference.

With that faulty premise in place, the rest of your long syllogism unravels rapidly: the universe has clearly not 'always existed'. It gets worse:

'now if you follow existance throughout all time... the source for all things that exist... is God' (!)

How do you derive that from your previous premises? Or from anything? Why should 'all things that exist' need a 'source'?

And 'I use the term God to denote the name of that which has always been'. This is VERY illogical and dangerous. Why not use a term like 'eternaThing', which doesn't have so many associations and connotations?

But you seem to be hinting that WHATEVER 'has always been' is ipso facto God. On what basis do you assert this? What if the only thing that has always been is a small rock? Why should it not?

And all of this is silly, anyway, because time is not the infinite expanse you postulate: time started at the Big Bang, when matter and spacetime emerged from the Singularity.

By this stage your common sense is in tatters, and it's pointless trying to extract anything from it. Go back to the drawing board and have another go. And this time take a look at existing knowledge before you try to explain the universe based on your own hunches.

CD

Answer 3

There are flaws in your reasoning:

1. Things CAN be created from something. It not only can happen, it DOES happen via quantum mechanics.

2. Nothing is eternal. There are age limits on all particles in the universe. Neutrons can only surive outside of atomic nuclei for a few minutes before spontaneously disentigrating into other particles. Protons eventually break down after, well, longer than the universe has been here, but they do.

3. The origin of the Big Bang is the origin of time. Nothing existed before it, so it didn't come from anywhere (this may take a moment of thought, but it does make sense). There is no such thing as negative time, and time at the Big Bang is 0. It's kind of like going north to the north pole. You can't go any further north, there's no such thing. Same as time; you can't go back any further before the Big Bang. There's no such thing.

BTW, I DO believe in God; just your rationale has some problems.

Answer 4

"it is not possible as far as we know to create something from nothing ..... common sense"

WRONG!!! Quantum physic models demonstrate that the notion of "nothingness" is highly unstable, and that it would lead naturally to a state of "somethingness". Urey-Miller experiement proved that amino acids can be "created" from a 60,000 volt bolt of electricity runing through a vacuum containing nothing more than methane and ammonium.

So, Im afraid that statement negates the rest of your posting. As for the logic behind it, I think Rance has done a swell job of explaining where you went wrong on that portion...

Answer 5

I'm sorry but your logic is a bit flawed. If everything as always existed (by your own admission) then why would there need to be a source for everything. This would imply that everything was at some point created and would further imply that before it was created it didn't exist. This is contradictory to your previous statement. Therefore, if everything requires NO source then it would also follow that no God would be required to create it.

Answer 6

I don't put too much faith in common sense.

After all... common sense once told us that the earth is flat and that it is the center of the universe.

An alternate explanation is the Cycles of time as expounded by the Hindu system. Or the expanding and contracting of the universe as put forth by modern physics. (They are both pretty much the same thing.)

One runs into all sorts of problems when you confuse "common sense" with "truth." The church used to execute people who didn't believe in common sense!

LOGIC is a different story!
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Answer 7

I basically agree with you, but I would not call it common sense. It is one explanation. I am not at all convinced that everything has always existed, nor am I certain that God has always existed. I'm more inclined to believe that God became self aware after aeons. I think God evolves because that makes sense to me.

Answer 8

I'm no longer certain you recognize the specific definition of entrapment. Leaving a stroll-guy on a subway bench after which arresting folks that decide on them up isn't entrapment. In no approach did legislation enforcement "drive" or coerce the members into stealing the units. I am curious as to this "drug case" you reference. What case are you speakme approximately? Entrapment is illegal. There is not any approach for anybody to get a warrant to entrap any person.

Answer 9

No. You try so hard to be logical, the the second you typed "god" your arguement became ridiculous. You just ASSUME your god is the only reason everything exists. That's not common sense at all, just your opinion. Common sense, to me, dictates that no god could be responsible for everything everywhere.

Answer 10

There are 3 constants....time...space...and matter....

There has never been a time when any of those has NOT existed.

None of those things came from an invisible creator that has always existed.

Makes things a bit easier, doesn't it???