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If the Qu'ran was passed down in 600 and the Bible is corrupt then this is true from at least 250 BC and even Christ himself taught from corrupt scripture...If there is no savior Messiah then the book of Isaiah must be corrupt and Christ taught from this scripture and It has been corrupt for hundreds of years before Christ and somehow Christ did not notice..We have Isaiah found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and is intact and in agreement with the word we have today...Luke has Christ refering to Isaiah 53 saying this is prophsey he must fuffill ...Was Christ mislead by corrupt scripture? If so he must not have been much of a prophet...and he agreed with Isaiah who said he would atone for the sins of his people...so we have Christ deceived by corrupt Scripture and all God's people living and dieing tricked by corrupt scripture, What becomes of Christ and all those before him back before 250 BC all the way to 600 AD How many generations were deceived before Allah gave Muhammad the Qu'ran?

2007-05-31 13:50:59 · 5 answers · asked by djmantx 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

There had to be at least 800 years where men could not trust the word of God. How many lived and died while Allah drug his feet sending them the Qu'ran and why could he not have protected his word when millions depended on him?

2007-05-31 13:53:45 · update #1

Layla, I'm over thnking? I thought the Qu'ran was supposed to make logical sense! Is it logical to think Allah left generations to die without a trustworthy word from him?

2007-05-31 13:59:54 · update #2

Muhamamd, He also trusted the word of God. Which apprently Muslims believe was corrupt...How could this be?

2007-05-31 14:02:23 · update #3

Will, Jesus read from Isaiah 53 and said he would fufill this prophesy... Muhammad taught Jesus did not atone for sin....hmm...doesnt sound like thay are in agreement to me.

2007-05-31 14:22:32 · update #4

Perry, I fail to see how I am scientificly doing anything. The question efers to the teachings of many Muslims that the true word of God is corrupt...I refer to scripture from the Bible and the fact Christ surely taught from the true word of
God...could not have been corrupt then and taught the atonement even then..the Qu'ran says there is no atonement....whats up?

2007-05-31 14:50:05 · update #5

Muhammad, i do understand the differences and the possiblities but the fact remains the book of Isiah was written 800 BC and foretold of the Messiah and the fact that he would atone for sin...Now Jesus comes and agrees wiht this teaching...so this teaching can not be corrupt ...why does the Qu'ran not agree with the God of Isaiah...why not agree wiht the teachings of Jesus..Why would Jesus teach from Isiah and say he would fufill this prophesey than fake his death and the Qu'ran not even agree with this prophesy? Isaiah Is recognized as a prophet of God by Islam...Jesus also...If Isiahs prophesy is from 250 BC and still intact from 250 BC and Jesus agreed...Why does Alalh say Jesus did not atone for sin? and what of Jesus and those before him that surely followed God's word written in Isaiah...thats 800 years before Muhammad... These people believed a lie? and even Christ?

2007-05-31 15:03:05 · update #6

Hello my friend Ahmed, I fail to see how this is a silly question. The truth can not be found in the Qu'ran as the truth is with God and it did exist before Muhammad...If the truth was merely invented in 600 AD then it is safe to say we were not created by God as he would have to exist before us. Now Moses did tell us the truth from God even Muhammad's book does agree...
why then does his book not agree with these prophets of God?

2007-05-31 18:59:19 · update #7

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If you like, I will tell you about Jesus the Messiah?

He used a stone as his pillow, wore course clothing and ate rough food. His stew was hunger and his lamp in the night was the moon. His cover in the winter was the east of the earth and its west. His fruit and his basil is that which grows from the earth for the cattle. He had no wife to try him, and no son to grieve him. He had no wealth to distract him, nor greed to abase him. His mount was his feet and his servant was his hands.



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Islam agrees with Christianity, in general, on the following points:

1. Islam advocates the holiness of Jesus. As a matter of fact, it is an essential part of the Islamic teaching to revere Jesus and to believe in his holiness, and that he lived in this world as a pure person free of any sin. From the Holy Qur'an:

"When the angels said: 'O Mary! Surely God gives thee good news of a word from Him whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, Son of Mary, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter, and of those who are highly accepted by God.' " 3:45

2. Islam declares the holiness of Mary, the mother of Jesus. No Muslim can doubt the decency and purity of Mary. She, according to the Qur'an, had been the most noble among the women of the nations:

"And when the angels said: 'O Mary! Certainly God has chosen thee and made thee pure and has preferred thee above the women of all nations. 'O Mary! Be obedient to thy Lord, prostrate thyself and bow with those who bow (in worship).'" 3:42-43

3. Islam declares that Jesus was miraculously born from a virgin mother with no father. From the Holy Qur'an:

"And mention Mary in the book. When she withdrew to a place east of her family. She screened herself from them; then We sent to her Our angel, and he appeared to her as a man in all respects. She said: 'I seek refuge in God against you if you are righteous.' He said: 'I am only a Messenger of Thy Lord to grant to you a pure boy.' She said: 'How can I have a son, and no mortal has yet touched me, nor have I been unchaste?' He said: 'So (it will be). Thy Lord says: "It is easy for Me; and that We may make him a sign to men and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter decreed. Then she conceived him; and withdrew with him to a remote place. And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of the palm-tree. She said: 'Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten. So a voice came to her from beneath her: 'Grieve not, surely thy Lord has provided a stream beneath thee. And shake towards thee the trunk of the palm-tree, it will drop on thee fresh ripe dates. So eat and drink and be pleased. Then if thou seest any human, say: "Surely I have vowed a fasting for the sake of the Beneficent, so I will not speak to any human today." 19:16-26

4. The Qur'an attributes to Jesus many of the miracles which are mentioned in the Gospel. According to the Holy Qur'an, Jesus was empowered by God to cure the sick, revive the dead, and make the blind see:

"... and He (God) will make him (Jesus) a messenger to the children of Israel (saying): 'I have come to you with a sign from your Lord that I fashion for you, out of clay, the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by permission of God. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead by permission of God. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store in your houses. 'Lo! Herein verily is a sign for you, if ye are to be believers.' " 3:49

In addition to this, the Holy Qur'an ascribes to Jesus a miracle that is not recorded in the gospels: Jesus spoke clearly while he was in the cradle:

"Then she came to her people with him, carrying him. They said: 'O Mary, thou hast indeed brought a strange thing. O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a wicked man, nor was thy mother an unchaste woman.' But she pointed to him. They said: 'How should we speak to a one who is a child in the cradle?' He said: 'I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet; and He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and He has enjoined on me prayer and purity so long as I live. And to be kind to my mother; and He has not made me insolent, un-blessed. And Peace be on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised to life (in the Hereafter).' " 19:27-33

The area of disagreement between Islam and Christianity, concerning Jesus, includes the following points:

1. Although Islam accepts the holiness of Jesus, it denies his divinity. According to the teaching of Islam, Jesus is no deity. He is not God, nor is he united with God. He is worthy of reverence and great respect, but he is not worthy of worship. Islam is uncompromising in its Monotheism. God is only One, and there is no God but He, the Almighty, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsistent, the Infinite in life, knowledge, and power. Jesus is not ever-living. He was born less than 2000 years ago, and according to the gospels, he died after a very short life. He is not almighty because he was a subject of persecution; nor was he infinite. He could not be the Creator of the world because the world is over four billion years old, while he was born less than two thousand years ago. He is not worthy of worship because he himself was a humble worshipper of God.

2. Jesus, according to the teaching of Islam, is not a son of God. God does not have any son or child, because He is above that. Bodily parenthood is inconceivable in His case because He is not physical. Spiritual parenthood also is not conceivable, because He is the Creator of every spiritual and material being. The Holy Qur'an is clear on this point:

"And (they) impute falsely, without knowledge, sons and daughters unto Him. Glorified be He and high exalted above (all) that they ascribe (unto Him). The Originator of the heavens and the Earth! How can He have a child when there is no consort for Him, when He created all things and is Aware of all things? Such is God, your Lord. There is no God save Him, the Creator of all things, so worship Him. And He taketh care of all things." 6:100-102

3. Islam denies the crucifixion of Jesus. Jesus did not die on the cross. The Holy Qur'an is clear on this point.

"And because of their saying: 'We slew the Messiah Jesus Son of Mary, the Messenger of God.' They slew him not nor crucified him, but appeared so unto them; and lo! Those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof but the pursuit of a conjecture; for certain they slew him not, but God took him up to Himself. God is Ever-Mighty, Wise." 4:157-158

How can we reconcile this with the statement of the Qur'an which denies emphatically the death of Jesus on the cross?

There is a way to reconcile the Qur'anic statement with the statements of the gospels: The difference between the two statements could be a difference between appearance and reality. No doubt, some event had taken place at the time of what seemed to be the crucifixion of Jesus and his death on the cross. The life of Jesus was full of miracles, and so could be what seemed to be his death. It could have been that another person (such as Judas, the one who betrayed him) was miraculously likened to him, and he, not Jesus, died on the cross.

There is another way to reconcile the two statements without resort to assumption of any miracle: Suppose Jesus was put on the cross, and that he had fainted, so he appeared dead, while he was still alive.

This assumption is not without evidence from the gospels: The gospels state that Jesus did not stay very long on the cross. He was taken down hurriedly, without breaking his legs, while it was the custom to break the legs of the crucified. The Jews were preparing to celebrate Passover. They did not want him to stay on the cross until the next day, Saturday, on which they are not supposed to do any work such as burial. As Jesus did not stay too long on the cross, he could have remained alive.

The gospels state also that after Jesus appeared to be dead, a man struck at his body with a lance, and that the blood gushed out from his body. We know that blood does not flow from a dead body. This indicates that Jesus was still alive.

The gospels state that Jesus was laid in his tomb, and that a heavy stone was laid above the tomb, and that on Sunday, the body was missing, and that the stone was removed from the mouth of the tomb. We have the right to suspect that some of the disciples of Jesus removed the stone and rescued him. Were Jesus resurrected miraculously, there would have been no need for removal of the stone. God is able to raise him from the grave and keep the stone where it was. The removal of the stone seems to be a human, and not a Divine, work.

In addition to this, the gospels state that Jesus appeared several times to his disciples after the event of crucifixion. All these appearances seemed to have taken place in secrecy, and that Jesus was not willing to appear openly. Were he miraculously resurrected, he would not have had to hide from his enemies. The secrecy of his appearances indicates that he was still living as he did before, and that his life was not interrupted by a short death, and that he was still afraid of the pursuit of his enemies.

The international society of the Holy Shroud has recently concluded that the stains of blood on the shroud of Jesus indicate that Jesus was still living when he was taken down from the cross. Otherwise, there would be no blood on the sheet which covered his body afterwards.

A Christian, believing in the crucifixion of Jesus, would have a hard time reconciling two of the principles in which he believes, namely: Jesus is God, and Jesus was crucified. A crucified person cannot be God because he is unable to protect himself, let alone be almighty.

A Muslim, on the other hand, does not have such a problem. He believes that Jesus is a prophet and no more. A prophet may be persecuted and crucified, because a prophet is not supposed to be almighty. Although Islam does not have the problem of contradiction, it has solved the problem which it does not have. Jesus was not crucified. God had protected him.

4. Islam disagrees with Christianity on the Doctrine of Redemption. The Doctrine of Redemption is based on the Doctrine of the Original Sin: that mankind had been condemned by God because of the sin of Adam and Eve which was consequently inherited by their children. Islam denies the whole Doctrine of the Original Sin; God did not condemn mankind because a sin was committed by a couple at the beginning of time. (This will be made clear in the following inquiry.) There is no original sin; therefore, there is no need for redemption to mankind out of a sin that did not exist.

Furthermore, suppose that there is an original sin. To forgive mankind their original sin, God does not need a sinless person, such as Jesus, to be crucified. He can forgive the human race without causing an innocent person to suffer. To say that God does not forgive mankind unless mankind crucifies Jesus, is to put Him in the position of a ruler who was disobeyed by his own subjects. When the children asked the ruler to forgive the sin of their fathers, he refused to do so unless they kill one of his beloved ones. If they commit such a terrible crime, he will forgive them; otherwise, he will not. I do not think that the advocates of the original sin would be willing to put God in such a position. God, the Most Just and Merciful, does not condemn people because of their ancestor's sin. He may forgive them their own sins without requiring them to commit a bigger one.

2007-05-31 13:56:16 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 5 4

Dj! Stop asking silly questions and try studying Islam properly. I don't know why I have this feeling that you were originally a Muslim then you've aposatized. I even think that you originally come from the Middle East. Please tell us more about yourself. If you want to discuss theis in private, feel free to email me. Thanks a lot in advance.

2007-06-01 01:10:24 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

"Oh ye of little faith will you not hear the words of your Lord?"

Trying to scientifically analyze God is like standing 1 inch from a wall and trying to measure the whole building with no measuring tape!

Open your heart and the TRUTH will be revealed to you. I know it is hard, especially for us indoctrinated in the west, to simply Let Go-Let God.

Peace and God Bless

2007-05-31 21:38:55 · answer #3 · answered by Perry L 5 · 2 3

"Bismillahirahmaniraheem"

"In Truth", Jesus (PBUH) & Muhammad (PBUH) are brothers,
and their teachings are similar. God saw that man had transgressed the teachings of Jesus (PBUH) and a final Prophet, Muhammad (PBUH) was sent to clarify the Word of God, and seal the linage of the Prophets.

Both Prophets followed the mandate of God and completed
the mandate of God.

500, 1000, 2000 years is but the blink of the eye in Gods time.

The Prophets have completed their mission.
If man hasn't learned from this, then what Muhammad (PBUH) said to his disciples, shall come to pass. And this is what he said to his disciples: "Jesus (PBUH) shall return to planet earth as he promised, for it is his return that is the only thing that shall save man from destroying both himself and planet earth."

Jesus (PBUH) preached, [at - onement] not [atonement].
God is within man! - man is within God!
The kingdom of God is within you. You are within the kingdom of God.

May Gods Grace and Mercy, protect us all.
"A'uzu billahi min-ash-shaitan-ir-rajim"

2007-05-31 21:17:08 · answer #4 · answered by WillRogerswannabe 7 · 3 3

Quit over thinking it and just read the Quran

2007-05-31 20:56:30 · answer #5 · answered by Layla 6 · 6 4

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