A belief in God is not logical but is logic that important?

Question

I'm not trying to rag on religious people here, hear me out. By cut and dry hard nose logic. A belief in a God (as traditionally defined) is not logical. Do you believe that there are things that logic cannot explain? Where logic breaks down and something higher takes over? Can logic be wrong?

Answer 1

I disagree.

Many things that cannot be proven scientifically are believed to exist by logic.

These things include:
+ Patriotism
+ Friendship
+ Faith
+ Hope
+ Love
+ and, of course, God

I think Atheists are people of great faith.

They believe the entire wonderful universe came into being all by itself from the smallest subatomic particle to the the most immense galaxy to the amazing complexity of the human mind to the love between a mother and child.

I think it is much more logical to believe that an all powerful all loving God is behind it all. I do not have enough faith to be an Atheist.

With love in Christ.

Answer 2

Do people EVER read my answers, or do I just have to keep saying this over and over?

OK, again, for those who missed it the first few times:

There is no logical proof that God exists. Logical proof is verifiable under normal circumstances and experiments to prove the theory are repeatable.

So, no one-off miracles or voices in your head or blessed Pop-Tarts count. If nobody else hears the voice, you can't prove YOU heard it, either. If you can't get the miracle food to reoccur, it doesn't count--it could just be an anomaly.

So, if you have no proof one way or the other, it's ILLOGICAL to say that God either exists or does not exist. Both are logical fallacies.

Belief, however, is not tied to logic. You can BELIEVE in God or not, as you choose. Belief is saying that though you have no logical proof, you still have faith that something exists.

Or not--either is logical.

If you want to argue logic, PLEASE learn the rules of logic first!

And STOP making me explain this over and over!

Edit: oh, you people are PISSING ME OFF! Logic is ALWAYS right! It may not be true, but if something is logically valid, that means that it conforms to the laws of logic.

To use a real-world example that has nothing to do with religion, think about a court case.

Court cases, believe it or not, are logical arguments. Objections, like "badgering the witness" are different versions of logical fallacies.

So, the only things allowable in a court case are things that are logical. Not TRUE. I did not say TRUE. I said LOGICAL.

Imagine that somebody is on trial for murder.

You can't convict them just because you THINK they committed a crime--you have to actually prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, which means that you have to make the argument logically valid.

Say the person has a temper.

So? So do I. Doesn't mean I've ever killed anyone.

Say the person knows the victim.

Yeah, and how many other people know the victim? Knowing someone proves nothing in a murder trial.

Say the person had a motive.

Doesn't matter, unless the prosecutor has some kind of proof to place the defendant at the scene of the crime, such as eyewitnesses, surveillance camera footage, hair/fiber samples, or a confession that was not obtained through coercion/torture.

The defendant may well be guilty.

But unless you can prove it through logic, you'll just have to let the defendant go.

This is an example of how "true" and "logical" don't necessarily match up.

Logic is always right, by virtue of the structure of the argument.

But it's not always true. And that's the rub, that's why people try to plant evidence--they want to make something that seems true into something logical.

Try this argument:
All cars are purple.

I have a car.

My car is purple.

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My car isn't purple. But that's a logical argument. See how it's valid, but not true? Logical merely means that it conforms to the laws of logic.

My logic teacher was right--his class changed the way I think.

Answer 3

Most times, logic is important......

Logic tells us that a person can't stop a bullet with their barehands. But that's just an easy example.

I prefer logic more often than not. But I do find ghosts and myths and all that interesting, even if they aren't logical.



Carol M. : So you don't live by man's logic? Then I ask that you stay away from me and any love ones I have. If you are trying to pull out onto a busy street, do you do the logical thing and stop and wait for an opening......or do you pull out and let your faith that your god will protect you guide you? You should be careful how you say things.

Answer 4

A belief in God is not logical, but is logic that important?

Not impotant at all. That's why it's called a faith.

Logic can definitely be wrong, especially in the absence of all the facts, and considering that all the facts are not in regarding God....yep, it could be wrong.

There are just some things that logic can't explain away, and neither can belief that there is a God.....You either have faith that there is a God, or you don't.

Answer 5

And who might you be to claim that a belief in God is not logical? or that logic is or isn't important? Or that man's logic was ever logical in the first place? What about plain common sense? How does the sun stand still and aside from being a fiery furnace in mid-air, what is it? Where does the snow come from? Why do we count the seconds after lightening and know how far it is from us just be the thunder sound thereafter? Why are the nurseries of every hospital fuller every time it's a full moon? or the local jails? How could it rain for a whole forty days and nights during the deluge? Why does a whale have to come up for air? When you can begin to tell me the truth of all of these questions, then you can begin to quesion God... until then, don't pretend to know better than He does as in spite of being created in his image, none of us compare to the Eternal One! By the way, describe eternity! Or is it just a lie we tell our loved ones?
Donald! makes a good point. We have between our two ears the best computer on earth. Depending on what all we program it with, is how well it will serve us. Needless to say, the more accurate truth and knowledge we put in it the better. Even as simple as two and two make four and one and one and one make three, and so on and so on... The more truth it contains the more efficient and functional it will be. And then when they say we only use that tiniest of fractions of our brain, we can honestly answer: "speak for yourself!" as we can use it as much as we want to... provided we feed it with truth as the body itself will function better and much longer if we abstain from junk foods and care well for it! and exercise every muscle, including that wonderful brain!

Answer 6

Actually, I find the opposite to be true. A belief in God is completely logical. Here's my logic:

If God doesn't exist, then it doesn't matter whether I'm good or bad, because after death, I'll simply end up six feet under either way.

If God does exist, then I certainly want to do all that I can to prepare myself to return into his presence after this life is through.

In other words, if I *don't* believe in God and am proven to be wrong, then the outcome is not good. If I *do* believe and am proven wrong, then the outcome is the same.

I'll err on the side of being safe.

Answer 7

Logic is based on the assumption that everything and anything is comprehensible by the human mind, which it is not. I don't necessarily see that a belief in God is illogical, there are plenty of logicians, scientists, and "logical people" in the like that believed in God, there is nothing that says cut and dry that believing in God is illogical.

Answer 8

Logic is just a vital tool for thinking in a rational way. If being rational is not important to you, then logic would also be of diminished value.

I will point out that you used a rational format for your question. Reason is essential to defining most church doctrines, as I assume your church does not randomly pick it's guiding tenets.

I would say reason is an inescapable part of our lives. So yes, logic that important, even to persons of faith.

Answer 9

Yeah. Sometimes logic can be wrong. And sometimes people take their own grasp of logic for granted, and assume their opinion on something is correct because they're generally a logical person. And sometimes people don't see or admit to what's right in front of their faces because it defies their preconceived notion of logic.

I guess what I'm saying is that sometimes logic is in the eye of the beholder.

Answer 10

logic is usually programmed mathematics. We have been programmed as far as what reality is, and generally programemd to believe in only the material plane reality as being real. That what can not be measured by scientific instruments is not real. But we don't have to limit reality to that model. We can be open to more expansive models. Those models have their own logic, but first they must be experienced. Those more subtle models require you to expand your consciousness to know about them. You don't just stay the same and have more ideas, you litterally change your state of being. Then you see that belief and ideas are very limited.