What are your theories on Creation vs. evolution?

Question

mine is simply that God willed evolution. and the seemingly random forces that spawen life were steered by god.
And if your'e thinking:well the bible dates the earth at 10000 years or so,WTF; how about this: Man wasn't around then so a "day" could bin fact 100000000 years. It could be metaphoric after all.

Answer 1

For me, math has to be the deciding factor. Mathematical probability, as given by Hoyle, states that the chances of life to spontaneously evolve out of a primordial soup is one in 10 to the 40,000 power. Now scientists agree that anything beyond one in 10 to the 50th power is consider an impossibility. So imagine adding 39,950 more zeros onto those odds!

Can we use math in proving the existence of God? Actually, yes we can. God has provided the proof through prophecy. No other "holy book" can provide prophecy beside the Bible, and it is the Bible that declares a Creator God. Prophecy traces the origin of the Bible to being outside of our physical time domain. It reads in Isaiah 41:22-23,

"Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; let them show the former things, what they were, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare to us things to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; yes, do good or do evil, that we may be dismayed and see it together."

So, let's look at this mathematically. Dr. Peter Stoner (in an analysis that was carefully reviewed and pronounced to be sound by the American Scientific Affiliation) states that the probability of just eight prophecies being fulfilled in just one person is 1 in 10 to the 17th power. However, Jesus fulfilled 300 specific prophecies. A few of which I have documented here...
http://www.schneblin.com/studies/pdfs/in_the_volume_of_the_book.pdf

This is not even including the incredibly detailed prophecy regarding the regathering of Israel, the rise of Alexander the Great and later Ptolemy in the book of Daniel, and much, much more.

So, mathematically, the odds are in overwhelming favor of the Creator God written in the pages of the Bible rather than in the overwhelming odds against evolution.For me, math has to be the deciding factor. Mathematical probability, as given by Hoyle, states that the chances of life to spontaneously evolve out of a primordial soup is one in 10 to the 40,000 power. Now scientists agree that anything beyond one in 10 to the 50th power is consider an impossibility. So imagine adding 39,950 more zeros onto those odds!

Can we use math in proving the existence of God? Actually, yes we can. God has provided the proof through prophecy. No other "holy book" can provide prophecy beside the Bible, and it is the Bible that declares a Creator God. Prophecy traces the origin of the Bible to being outside of our physical time domain. It reads in Isaiah 41:22-23,

"Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; let them show the former things, what they were, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare to us things to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; yes, do good or do evil, that we may be dismayed and see it together."

So, let's look at this mathematically. Dr. Peter Stoner (in an analysis that was carefully reviewed and pronounced to be sound by the American Scientific Affiliation) states that the probability of just eight prophecies being fulfilled in just one person is 1 in 10 to the 17th power. However, Jesus fulfilled 300 specific prophecies. A few of which I have documented here...
http://www.schneblin.com/studies/pdfs/in_the_volume_of_the_book.pdf

This is not even including the incredibly detailed prophecy regarding the regathering of Israel, the rise of Alexander the Great and later Ptolemy in the book of Daniel, and much, much more.

So, mathematically, the odds are in overwhelming favor of the Creator God written in the pages of the Bible rather than in the overwhelming odds against evolution.
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So, Jamester, who are you going to believe using just basic math? Finite man that only can come to conclusions based on observable physical evidence? Or the infinite God that can see the past as well as the future all in one glance? Who would you think would have the better grasp of how the human existence came in to being?

Answer 2

It's funny how people believe in the bible and evolution. Why not accept the fact that the bible is wrong and you only believe in a higher being who created the universe and or the "big bang", Instead of creating hundreds of different sects of Christianity. It's ridiculous how the only reason they call themselves christian is to look good in the United States. People are slowly realizing that evolution took/is taking place as we speak (it's about time). People just love picking the good stuff out of the bible and ignoring the contradicted and evil things in there.

I believe in facts, in potassium argon for dinosaur bone dates and carbon dating for anything between now and 50,000 years ago. I believe that there might be a chance that a higher being created the world, but without proof it's nothing. There's no point in proclaiming that there is a god if you really do no know, especially if you condemn people for not believing in your god. If the christian god (or any gods for that matter) wants us to believe in him then they should give us some better things than a book that's been contradicted many times in 2000 years and visions to people that have been dead for ages. It's funny how many people only read Genesis and then skip to the new testament...

Answer 3

There's no evidence that will or intent caused species to evolve or differentiate because it continues to happen now without metaphycisal intervention.

The bible also clearly states that the stars were created AFTER the Earth. That's been proven wrong. You can look up at the sky and see stars exactly as they were billions of years ago, before the earth could have been formed.


Technically speaking on the third day everyone should have known what a day was because god supposedly separated day from night in day 2, so a day could not be 10000000 years or whatever.

Answer 4

I have a theory that creationism is just a theory and evolution is a fact.

How can an adult person believe in such an absurd BS like dates in the bible?

Did you hear about Radiocarbon Dating?

If you even doubt that, here I have a riddle for you:

Why should God do everything in 10,000 years and then create something like isotope carbon-14 that allows very precise dating 60,000 years back in time... and even deliver all proof? Why should he make one more joke and allow radiometric dating that allows to go back in time 4.5 billion years so easily?

My conclusion: either creationism is nonsense or god must be a joker.

In other words: Don't p**** down our backs and tell us it's raining!

Answer 5

It sounds like you agree with most Catholics.

The Catholic Church does not take the stories of creation in the Bible literally. Catholics believe the book of Genesis tells religious truth and not necessarily historical fact.

One of the religious truths is that God created everything and declared all was good.

Catholics can believe in the theory of evolution. Or not. The Church does not require belief in evolution.

On August 12, 1950 Pope Pius XII said in his encyclical Humani generis:

The Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God.

Here is the complete encyclical: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_12081950_humani-generis_en.html

The Church supports science in the discovery of God's creation. At this time, the theory of evolution is the most logical scientific explanation. However tomorrow someone may come up with a better idea.

As long as we believe that God started the whole thing, both the Bible and modern science can live in harmony.

With love in Christ.

Answer 6

Creation is always going to win this argument. God is the only thing that is proven (to certain people) without a argument. Nobody really knows how we got here. Evolution is a good THEORY but how many times has science been wrong before. God on the other hand he is "never" wrong. How can you put all your trust into something were the number 1 reason of its existence is that humans can't explain it. Don't read to much into either or as nobody knows just enjoy your life now because you are going to die and then it will be to late.

Answer 7

I believe that man got here by evolution. I also believe in God, but I'm not completely sure we were intended (I really don't know). I am a Deist, so I don't accept the Bible as the word of God. But I used to would have agreed with you about this when I was a Christian.

I think too many Christians try to use Genesis as a science book, and that is not what it is intended for.

Answer 8

Really in truth I dont know.. I do know that evolution happens and in order for it to be reconciled with religion it would have to be an act of god/s... however I do not believe in any god/s but being agnostic I realize we have no true knowledge of that and the question is presently unknowable until we aquire further knowledge or proof. I think that IF there is god/s and/or goddess/es that they would have to be responsible for evolution IF they exist because evolution is proven to occur. Basically evolution happened, is happening and will continue to happen regardless of the existence or non-existence of deitys in this world. So if in the future we find the proof necessary to conclude that omnipotent beings exist they would have to be responsible for evolution if they created this world because we know evolution happens.

Answer 9

A day is the time it takes for the Earth to spin on its axis. It is not a subjective term. The Bible also says that God created man from dust, not other species.
Look, your creation myth is inconsistent with science. Either you grow up and accept reality, or you stick to 'faith' and believe whatever crap you're told. You can't have it both ways.

Answer 10

I'm not Christian, but there happen to be quite a few parallels between the biblical account of creation and a metaphoric view of evolution. There is a good deal of evidence for mitochondrial Eve, the 'mother' of all humanity. The idea that 'god' made childbirth painful - bipedalism actually restricts the birth canal, making childbirth more painful than that of non-bipedal primates for whom birth is relatively easy. The knowledge of good or evil - might refer to the development of society and the concept of morality that comes along with higher brain function. That 'god' gave us animals as food - the genus Australopithecus (the genus between ancient apes and the genus Homo) were vegetarian and it wasn't until we were of the genus Homo that we developed the ability to eat meat. I just found it interesting.

Answer 11

I believe that God *is* the natural universe. I also support scientific theories regarding evolution because there is strong evidence to support the theories. I would say I "believe" in evolution, but in reality - I "know" evolution is fact just as I know the earth revolves around the sun and the earth is not flat.