Isn't it obvious that 'God Almighty', the 'Lord God', Yahweh, must have been Christ since Moses saw his face?

Question

And what about the seventy elders of Israel Moses said saw and spoke face to face with God Almighty? Do people think Moses was a liar? Isn't it obvious he was speaking with the Son and not the Father?

Answer 1

Yahweh Himself said to Moses:
“You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.” (Exodus 33:20)


Although it is hardly a significant doctrinal point, Jehovah's Witnesses happen to believe that the "voice" of God the Father was not heard except for three occasions mentioned in the so-called "New Testament" (see Matthew 3:17; 17:5; John 12:28, 29). During other bible accounts, God the Father (Jehovah) was represented by and spoke through Jesus and angels.

(Hebrews 1:1,2) God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son

(Galatians 3:19) [The Law] was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator.


Even on Mount Sinai, the bible indicates that Moses did not speak directly with God the Father, but with an angelic representative.

(Acts 7:37,38) This is the Moses... This is he that came to be among the congregation in the wilderness with the angel that spoke to him on Mount Sinai


Now, getting back to the initial "question" above... Jehovah's Witnesses believe the bible to teach that there are several references to Jesus in the so-called "Old Testament" which indicate that he is distinct from the "God" or "Jehovah" of the so-called "Old Testament". It is not enough to simply assert that a doctrine is true, and so Jehovah's Witnesses reason from the Scriptures on the matter...


It seems rather obvious that the apostle Luke at Acts 4:25-27 quotes from Psalms 2:1,2. Although these passages are part of the Christian and Hebrew Scriptures respectively, BOTH passages make it plain that there is an "anointed one" who is distinct from God. The Psalm plains calls that God by the name "Jehovah" (explicitly using the Tetragrammaton) and Acts plainly calls the anointed one by the name "Jesus".

(Psalm 2:1,2) [David wrote] Why have the nations been in tumult and the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing? 2 The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one

(Acts 4:24-27) [Peter, John, and fellow Christians] with one accord raised their voices to God and said: “Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them, 25 and who through holy spirit said by the mouth of our forefather David, your servant, ‘Why did nations become tumultuous and peoples meditate upon empty things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one.’ 27 Even so, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of nations and with peoples of Israel were in actuality gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus


Similarly, the apostle Paul at 1 Cor 2:16 and Rom 11:33,34 paraphrases Isaiah 40:13. Note that Isaiah explicitly uses the name "Jehovah" (the Hebrew Tetragrammaton), and 1 Corinthians plainly CONTRASTS the mind of Jehovah with the mind of Christ Jesus.

(1 Corinthians 2:16) For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.

(Romans 11:33-34) O the depth of God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgments are and past tracing out his ways are! 34 For “who has come to know Jehovah’s mind, or who has become his counselor?”

(Isaiah 40:13) Who has taken the proportions of the spirit of Jehovah, and who as his man of counsel can make him know anything?

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Answer 2

No. Moses never saw God's face. Can the same be said of Jesus? No. Thousands of people saw Jesus. John 1:18 said that no man has seen God at any time. So what does that mean? That means that Jesus is not God.

Answer 3

(C) a million x a million x a million = a million does not accurately describe the Trinity doctrine. in accordance to the Trinity doctrine there are 3 separate persons comprising a million God. The Trinity doctrine is subsequently extra 'accurately' expressed mathematically as: a million man or woman + a million man or woman + a million man or woman = a million God. whilst simplified, we get: 3 persons = a million God To get how various God a million man or woman is, we'd desire to divide the two facets of the expression by skill of three. subsequently: a million man or woman = 0.333* God. for this reason, as a fashion to desire to the full a million God, Trinitarians might desire to truly pray to all of the three persons comprising God, each and every time they pray. in the event that they pray in straight forward terms to the daddy or in straight forward terms to the Son, then they have in straight forward terms prayed to 33.333*% of God.

Answer 4

um where dose it say Moses or the seventy elders spoke face to face with God?

Answer 5

So, some men wrote down some words 3000 years ago and this is what you base your life on?

fortunately, there are newer books to read that are much wiser. I'd recommend "the end of faith" by Sam Harris.

Answer 6

it isn't obvious to everone