What is wrong with my disproof of God?

Question

1. God as defined in the bible as unchanging.
2. God is shown to think in the bible.
3. Thinking requires a change in mental state.
4. God cannot be unchanging and able to think simultaneously.
5. Therefore, God as defined by the bible does not exist.

You can't have a new thought without a change in mental state.

On #3: Thinking requires you to have differing ideas at different times.

Example: At time A, god thinks he will create a flood. At time B, God does not think he will create a flood. That is a change in his mental state.

Differing ideas mean a differing brain state. If you were unchanging, your brain could not generate any state other than the one it was locked into because it would have to change. Therefore, you can't think if you are unchanging.

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Answer 1

very good points

Answer 2

1) You assume that God is defined by what is written about him in the Bible.
2) You assume God "thinks" in the same way as humans... i.e. changing mental state.
3) Much like Descartes "I think therefore I am," rational arguments do not necessarily carry over into reality.
4) From the premises you give, you cannot make the conclusion you made.

Here's what you stated translated into logical terms:

G=God in Himself, B= Bible's defintion of God, C=Change, T= Thought. -= not sign. ^=and, V = or, -> = imp.

1. B -> (G ^-C)
2. B -> (G ^ T)
3. T -> C
4. -(G ^ T ^ -C)
Therefore 5. - (B ^ G)

The problem is that you don't show any logical connection between your steps. You have no middle term. It is just a list of premises with no real logic behind it. You have no proof for the conclusion you make at step 4, which switches from the Bible's vision of God to God as he is. Also, your conclusion, if it were valid, would only say that God according to the Bible does not exist, not that God does not exist.

Answer 3

Sure we all sometimes wonder, "Is there really a God?" The question is yes there is. The reason why i know this is because my brother suffered a sever brain trauma from a car accident just recently. The news we received from the neurologist was that my brother was never going to wake up, speak, walk, talk, and basically what were told is that the person who we knew as my brother was gone. Since the accident my family has gotten very spiritual and developed a close relationship with God. We had I think over thousands of prayers going out for my brother. When you hear news like that like he's never going to wake up again, the only thing left to do is pray. Well four days later my brother started talking and telling everybody who they were and understood what happened to him. So what happened to my brother was a miracle that only God could've caused. There is no disproof about God because God is everything and he created everything. So whatever God created and thought of he can do.

Answer 4

I was with you through #1 and #2.

Prove this:

3. Thinking requires a change in mental state.
4. God cannot be unchanging and able to think simultaneously.

Answer 5

Thinking requires a whole lot more than a change in mental state. Thinking requires you observe, learn, and grow in thought. God is unchanging because He has everything already taking place in the present, past and future at the same time. Surely, you must understand that God is everything, everywhere, all at the same time. That is what omnipresence is.

Answer 6

Is that the best you can do?

Show me where in the bible it says that God is unchanging and we have a debate

He's unchanging in standards & purpose. But that doesnt mean he doesnt think. There's places in the bible that show God had a change of thought on a couple of matters.

Back to the drawing board for you....

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Lol, Meatbot

You may be unchanging in your atheist views - does that mean you don't think?

You'll have to try better than that

Answer 7

To start: The moral principles and characteristics of God are unchanging....The fact that God is holy is unchanging. I don't think the Bible meant that God is a frozen entity incapable of changing his mental or physical states.

Answer 8

Your first premise is faulty. When the bible speaks of God as being unchanging, we are speaking of God ontologically, not philosophically or mentally; that is to say, God's essential nature is changeless. As for God's mental state being proof that He does not exist, have you never read, "God is not a man that He should lie, neither a son of man that He should repent (change his mind)?" Numbers 23:19

Yet we see that God apparently DID change His mind. At one point, He instructed Moses to leave Him alone so that He might destroy the Jews for their sin of the golden calf, but Moses "...stayed in the mount, according to the first time, forty days and forty nights; and the LORD hearkened unto me at that time also, [and] the LORD would not destroy thee." Deuteronomy 10:10

Shall we then say that God changed His mind, when the scripture says He does not? On the surface it appears so; on closer examination, though, quite the opposite is true. God intended from the beginning to save a people for Himself, so in pressing Moses as He did, He uncovered His will which apparently was hidden. God knew in advance what He would do, and He knew in advance what Moses would do. Careful analysis is always in order.

Answer 9

God does not have the same limits as we have. His character is unchanging, it does not mean that He cannot change, He can do whatever He wants to do within His character. I believe that the prayers make the difference.

He knows everything in this changing world. He is beyond our capability to think. He can be everywhere where He wants to be, He can change location.

Answer 10

There is absolutely nothing wrong with your disproof of God. If the steps you took to reach #5 have been proven by your own research, then God does not exist according to you. Be content with your findings. just remember to save your work for future reference when you stand before an All Mighty God and you can look him in the face and tell Him He isn't real. Good research by the way.

Answer 11

God changes His mind a few times in the Bible, despite saying He doesn't.

God also in the same line says He's not the Son of Man......wonder how that turned out?