China Military V.S U.S.A Military?

Question

How long does it take to own China, and how much damage expectable on the U.S side.
Or on the contrary?

Answer 1

Does anyone ever do any legitimate research here, or just pull facts out of their backside and listen to yell radio to get the rest of their facts?

Facts:
China’s expanding military: China claims they are modernizing the military, the west claims it is for imperialism and is destabilizing to the east and world. China does not have a history of imperialism, nor do they have any military presence anywhere else in the world. They also have little experience in modern warfare. They have reduced their number of soldiers in recent years.

As far as world wide arms sales, they lag far behind the USA as we sell 36% of the world arms while China only 3% according to a congressional report in 2005.

Much of what China has in military hardware is outdated. Since their countries economy has improved remarkably they are able to afford much needed modernization.

One of the threats the west keeps laying out is the pending invasion of Taiwan, that’s never going to happen. China is smart enough to understand that an invasion would be counter productive to their future, even if it didn’t result in retaliation from the west. The political and economic fallout would be catastrophic.

If there is one thing that I have learned about China, they long ago realized they can’t go head to head in a fight against the west, and to do so would be destructive to their future. China understands the only way to “win” is to do it economically. That there are far bigger fish to fry then global military adventures where the outcome is anyone’s guess.

At the very least, Vietnam should have taught us that lesson and Iraq most certainly.

China also understands its future far better then the USA. They plan while we seem to muddle along. Their plans are in the form of five year plans that are reviewed yearly and changed if need be. I’ve often posed this question on the web, “what is the USA’s plan?” The answers I get, we have freedom and innovation, none of which answers the question. Americans have no idea what our plans are for the future, but ask any Chinese and they have, at the very least, a rough idea what China wants to do. If they want to find out more they can go on the web or any number of government publications that outline their five year plans and see for themselves.

Then I point out that the few plans that we know of, no one knows what they are, especially our energy plan since that was held in secret by Vice President Cheney. I’m very concerned with our lack of transparency and lack of foresight. We just seem to muddle along which worked very well for decades, now as the world and especially China slowly catches up to the USA, it’s in our best interests to look into our own crystal ball and make real obtainable transparent plans to secure our children’s future.

Unfortunately for the USA and much of the west, the plans will force us to come to realities that we don’t want to think of, such as our wasteful habits, over consumption in an increasingly competitive world, and our lack of being able to support a manufacturing base because of our high wages and benefits.

If we think of the world as staying static then we’ll miss the opportunities to secure our future. However if we really understand that most countries want to get to the “American Dream,” and are doing it, then we’ll stop arguing about insignificant things like flag burning, prayer in school and trying to shove anti abortion into our laws and other moral issues that we spend an inordinately amount of time wasting our legislative time on while ignoring our future.

I have heard it on more then one occasion that America is fretting away its future through its divisive and contemptuous politics.

As one man from India that’s a manager at a textile factory here in the Chinese city I live in put it, he loves Americans, but they aren’t worldly. I’d say that statement is pretty accurate. For the most part, when it comes to how the world works, the average American lives in an ideological vacuum that ultimately resulted in bringing a government system into the middle east that has never seen that before. The result, is of course, failure.

---------- In short, its time to start using some common sense and stop with the China vs USA clusterphuikke. It will get you nowhere and doesn't solve a thing.

The real enemy is not China, it is our lack of common sense and foresight......except with military adventures where the outcome is anyones guess. Iraq and Afghanistan is proving that. At the very least, we should have learned that in Vietnam and the Soviet Unions invasion.

Answer 2

China already officially answered that question and they said it would be a nuclear war.

A conventional war would be weird. Under the Geneva conventional all government targets are legitimate targets. Under the communism system, everyone belongs to the government. I don't know how that differs from the U.S.'s claim that the people are the government yet the U.S. has civilians. Now the U.S. doesn't have enough covensional firepower to hold anything in China, so I think the U.S. would go straight for the water and food supply. Already China is attacking their own food and water supply as main Chinese are too polluted to drink from now and food from China was killing U.S. pets. The population would walk right out of China and the central government would collapse since people are not that loyal in supporting their government (why it's ruled by fear and force).

Right now the Chinese don't have much in convesional firepower to protect their sea and air, but in 2020 China believes it will have a stealth fighter on par with the F-22. Stealth fighters are expensive and China might have maybe a dozen of them. China has a lot of long range rockets to attack bases in Korea and Japan. I don't even think the U.S. would even trying a land force in China. I would still say maybe 5,000 Americans would die and maybe 300,000 Chinese with most of those dieing from the lack of food, medicine and water.

Expect the U.S. to use spray on the crops.

Answer 3

This would take considerably less time than you might think.
If our goal was to only beat them into submission, we could destroy them quickly, as we did Iraq and Afghanistan. We destroyed these countries in a matter of weeks while countries like Iran and the Soviet Union tried for decades.
Where we have problems is with Nation building and policing these countries and trying to build them back up, which, unfortunately, is not our strongest point.

The CIA has stated that china is still 15 plus years away from being a real direct threat to even their neighboring countries, let alone the US.

You can't get caught up in the fact that their army is so much bigger than ours as every country we have fought, with the exception of Afghanistan, has had a much bigger Army than ours. Our Kill rate is still on average of 20 to 1, and in passed years has been as much as 100 to 1.

Even in Viet Nam, our only "supposed" loss, we killed between 2 and 10 million of their soldiers while losing only 60 thousand or ours. Again, our only problem there, wasn't military capability, but mixing politics with war.

So, to make a short story long. If we could unleash our military, and not worry about helping them until they completely surrender , I.E. Japan, Germany, Afghanistan and Iraq the first time, We would probably end it more quickly than most people who don't know history would think..
We did not need to "Occupy" Japan or Germany, we just needed to kick the Shizzle outta them until they submit.

As to our damage?? That depends on weather or not they try to attack us with missiles. If they do, it would only be over that much faster for them, as our Nuclear arsenal is many many times bigger than theirs, it is also much more accurate. Not to mention we have a defense system that seems to work very effectively against Missile, while, they do not.
Invasion for them is out of the question, as their Navy will be destroyed by our vastly superior (and still undefeated) Navy in the Matter of weeks. If they happen to make some soldiers ashore we have 80 Million armed citizens which will defend their communities, and no army, no matter how big, can defeat that. Even The defense Minister of Japan (a vastly superior military than China) During the second world war said, "Invading America is out of the question as there would be an armed man behind every balde of grass"

Answer 4

It is impossible using conventional methods of warfare.

The USA's army would need to be at least 10 million strong to pass all three of the 'victory' milestones; Invasion (of one of the biggest nation states in the world) Complete victory on land in the sea and air (Strategic Geography would mean the battle would last decades!) and finallly Occupation. IF you were to 'own' or put down China you would need an armed force capable of supressing a population of 1.3 Billion from taking to arms against you.

It would be impossible for the USA to take China, it would also be impossible in reverse. To begin with the Chinese navy has NO bluewater navy, it may have massive conventional abilities, but these are no way as sophisticated as the US.

Answer 5

It's absolutely impossible for the U.S. alone to
occupy China. I would have serious doubts that
NATO has enough ground forces to occupy it
for a longer period of time. China is just too big.
Both. In terms of land size and population. The
opposite is equally true.

Answer 6

In terms of firepower, USA. In terms of manpower, China. I remember there used to be jokes about how China could bring the USA to it's knees without a single shot fired. The first one was...the whole population of China jump up and down in unison causing massive earthquakes on the other side of the world(namely the USA). The other was more practical, all the chinese soldiers invade the USA and surrender en masse, and since the geneva convention requires the winning country to shelter and feed POWs, it won't be long when the high cost of housing and feeding the million POWs would bring down the US economy and ultimately drive them to the poor house.

Answer 7

Start from Chinatown. They be agitated and trouble mind. When they lost their bearing go get them boys. They still have their kung fus and taichis....no worry...u blast them with grenades.
Anyway what reason you have now for attacking. Is it oil? Could it be their temples?
All of you are really pain in the neck.
The present wars not ended. Can't even hold the terrorist and yet looking for others. You are a sicko man!
You want to find who starts and why you being hated. Ask yourself.

Answer 8

The two encounters were the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

Answer 9

there is a extremly small chance of war over tawain which china said is willing to lose at least half of there cities to have control of tawain

Answer 10

I am praying for a War between USA and China, International commerce and Stock exchanges markets would plummet, millons will die, undeveloped nations will fall in deffault, unemployment will be massive, class struggle will be huge, and that´s what I want!